San Jose Earthquakes Academy is on its way!

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  1. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Major League Journeymen had Luis Robles (MLS Next Technical Director) on their podcast. Because Journeymen are all dads now, some with sons playing soccer, they asked Luis about what MLS next is trying to do and what the quality of play metrics are for. Luis finally starts explaining it more clearly around the 23rd min, so don’t give up on the episode’s beginning. (It’s actually good background stuff to understand how these guys developed).

    i found it interesting that one of Luis’ selling points was that they analyze games and mark videos so that coaches and players can learn from the tapes. But that basically MLS Next is not competing with the clubs and is trying to serve everybody in order to grow the game and increase the funnel for MLS

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/major-league-journeymen/id1685200482?i=1000704312270
     
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  2. clsafe

    clsafe Member

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    Tomo Allen v Palmeiras @ GA Cup -
     
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  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    NorCal
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  4. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Tomo should be starting every game he's available for the The Town. The forwards that have been starting have not been effective.
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    It keeps happening...

    Will Ostrander
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    You asked for a center mid... time to update the list!
     
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  6. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Things will be getting worse I’m afraid. Bruce has shown that he’s more interested in college players than in developing our academy players. Verhoeven was our most promising academy guy in terms of getting minutes, and Bruce seemed to like him, but nope, loan with buy option to SD and will probably never play for the Quakes again. Bruce appears to be not high on Niko. His playing time will be taking a big dip this year very likely. Cruz can’t get a look, even in preseason Quakes games or USOC. We’re using our The Town home games to get 1st team players minutes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Verhoeven already has 33 minutes over 2 games for San Diego after getting 5 minutes with the Quakes

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  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't wait to see how much RSL sell Diego Luna for... sigh

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  9. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    So I guess he has no say in the matter and he's just speculating what GM / ownership will do?
     
  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They are probably already getting offers for him, or at least inquiries...

    Edit: Oh I see what you mean. I would hope in a well run team the coach can't veto a multi-million dollar offer because wouldn't it always be in his best interests to do so? That's why there's a GM above the coach, to make those decisions... well not here with Bruce but at almost every other team. With RSL specifically it can't even be argued they're in "win now" mode, they sold Andres Gomez for $11 million last summer and then sold Arango to us, and went from one of the top teams in the west to currently in 12th place with just Luna carrying the offense. Time to start the rebuild.
     
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  11. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, if they sell Luna, they may be kind of semi tossing up the white flag for this season and looking to rebuild for next year.
     
  12. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I'm not convinced that a transfer is in Luna's best interests right now. He's got a shot at making the WC team. If he's transferred somewhere where he doesn't play much, he could quickly fall out of the picture. And Poch has been watching him play in MLS.

    Also, maybe he's over it, but Luna has had difficulty adapting to new places. If adapting to Phoenix or Salt Lake is hard, then adapting to England or Germany or wherever would be like an order of magnitude harder. He should definitely go and give it a shot at some point but with WC coming next year I'm not sure it's the best time. Sure if he goes to just the right place and gets playing time and does well it could *improve* his WC prospects, but it's a risk.
     
  13. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the Total Soccer Show, they said Mastroeni inferred that Diego would be in Europe after this season.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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  15. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    How Philadelphia Union set the standard for youth development

    Thanks to the high-powered offerings at YSC Academy, the affiliated college prep school for its student-athletes, every kid gains a cutting-edge education for wherever life takes them, be it soccer or otherwise, led by Dr. Nooha Ahmed-Lee, a head of school with a specialization in the neuroscience of learning.

    “As we've seen in other parts of the world, the real winning formula is when you join together young, talented players who are very motivated to improve, and then you give them the tools and the training facilities to succeed,” Union chairman and principal owner Jay Sugarman told MLSsoccer.com. “But then the last piece is you have to put them in a highly competitive environment, and you really have to challenge them to raise their game at every level.

    “We started with a strong viewpoint that combining the educational piece with the soccer piece was going to be a really powerful thing. But how do you actually, logistically, pull that off? How do you give kids the chance to train in the morning, then go to school, then train in the afternoon or go play? It's a complicated process.”
     
  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I listened to the recent "Unfiltered Soccer" podcast (or whatever it's called) with Landon and Tim Howard, and they interviewed Diego Luna. They asked him why he left to go play with (eventually) USL instead of staying in the MLS path, and he basically said it was because he saw a lot of guys just sort of get stuck in the in-between the academy and the 1st team, and he wanted to play and prove himself at the next level. He also said that his dad (who was a coach) always pushed him to play at a higher age level, and he wanted to prove himself against older players.

    We also have to remember that we didn't have Next/Pro at that time. I think in 2018, when Diego left the Quakes academy, our USL affiliate was Reno. So it's possible he could have played USL anyway if he stayed with the Quakes. Gilbert Fuentes played 16 games with Reno. So not sure that his explanation entirely makes sense.

    One of the things LD emphasized is that if you're a say 16-year old prospect the most important thing is that you play. You don't want to go somewhere and sit on the bench. Luna said playing in Europe is a goal of his, but I think everyone agreed it's gotta be somewhere where he plays. I think that would be especially true if he leaves before WC and he wants to stay in the nats picture.
     
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  17. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leaving the Quakes and deciding to start his pro career in USL were two different decisions. He left the Quakes before his 15th birthday; if he had stayed, he probably wasn't on track to get senior-level minutes in Reno anytime soon. He started in USL in El Paso in 2021, when he was 17, after Reno folded and before MLSNP started.
     
  18. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
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    Yes, that's why I said that his explanation didn't quite make sense. He spent 3 years or so at Barcelona academy before going to El Paso. I don't see why he couldn't have stayed with the Quakes academy and wound up in the same pathway (Reno folding in 2020 or 2021 was unforeseen circumstances).

    BTW Gilbert Fuentes played with Reno when he was 16, so I don't think it's a non-starter that Luna couldn't have done the same and played with Reno if had been offered a Quakes HG contract.
     
  19. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He has already stated elsewhere that he left the Quakes for other personal reasons. Sounds like Landon and Howard were more interested in why he went the USL path than why he left the Quakes. Probably unstated is that the USL path was more available for him at that point in 2021.
     
  20. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    The question they asked him was explicitly about why he left the Quakes academy. As I said, his answer doesn't entirely make sense. "Personal reasons" - whatever they were, would make more sense but he didn't mention anything like that in the interview.
     
  21. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Notwithstanding whatever happened with Luna, I have to wonder if any other academy has produced as many pro players with no benefit to the team as we have... It seems to me like the academy staff are good at judging horseflesh but there is an utter disconnect between the academy and the first team.
     
  22. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    And as the saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but, you can't make it drink." :)
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Perhaps the Quakes execs need to read that article about the Philadelphia Union
     
  24. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    Former academy midfielder Tarun Karumanchi is playing for Brown Ballers FC in the 7 on 7 tournament this summer and he’s apparently also playing for Asheville City FC in the USL League 2 (North Carolina). He will be a senior at UCLA in 2025. Wondering if he’ll go Superdraft or if Chris Leitch can swing a Homegrown deal before the draft. He’s got more pro potential to me than either Mendoza or Rajagopal. Bigger, stronger, covers more ground and has beautiful passing range.
     
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  25. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On a related note....

    It does ask real questions about the environment they are in with their club. San Jose is considered to be arguably the toughest environment within MLS right now for a prospect to succeed.
    They really do need to work on shedding that label because right now the questions about their best prospects center around the coaching, the dysfunction, the first team plan for them, the poor ownership.
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