Sam Vines at Royal Antwerp

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  1. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
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  2. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Belgium gets overlooked. Quite a few of our boys are playing in the league or have done so in recent years. I recall both Gooch and Kljestan won loads of trophies while playing for the big clubs there with Horvath also winning some league titles.
     
  3. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
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    Arsenal FC
    Vines. started and appears to be going 90'. My first Antwerp game. Vines is not out of. place, but they do not seem to be using the LB all that much. He put a chip right on a runners chest from about 25-30 yds. Unfortunately he had 2 guys on him. Good effort though. Was a spirited derby, hard fought. Idk how old Sam is but he does look young. He should definitely stay a few years and get as much experience and development as possible. Looks like a good league and the right place to be found.
     
  4. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    I’m always more interested in watching our guys in the second tier leagues.
    Sam has fit right in. Generally solid on D and almost always makes the right decision with his passes. Yup, not being asked to be to offensive. One on one he is pretty damn good, but when quick fast forwards come at him with some speed and space he struggles. Nothing shocking there. In the air he isn’t an asset either. Not unexpected but needs to learn how to help his other defenders and disrupt attackers more on balls in the air into the box. I would guess Antwerp is pretty happy with him. He has stepped in, and while not a dynamo, is very reliable. Doing what he has always done.
     
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  5. gnk

    gnk Member

    Nov 1, 2000
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    He’s 22
     
  6. m vann

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    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
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    Celtic FC
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    I watched about 70 mins of today’s game. Vines wasn’t as involved in the attack as he has been but that wasn’t his job today. His job today was to defend and he did that almost effortlessly and flawlessly. His positioning was spot on - never got caught playing too deep or too high - and pretty much handled anything down his left side. The game was a chippy affair (an Antwerp derby) and Vines as usual was cool, calm, and collected. Very little ever rattled him. There was a little dust up after the final whistle and you could see Vines just applauding his Royal away fans not even worried about the crap Beerschot were pissed about.

    As one who’s seen 90% of his career MLS starts either in-person or via TV, he’s settling into Royal just as I suspected he would. I’ve said it before but he just reeks of Cherundolo. He’s a defender first but is more than capable in the attack. Vines does very little wrong and much like Cherundolo is the model of consistency. There wasn’t much for Vines to technically or tactically improve on when arriving at Royal. I’ve just seen his decision making be a tad bit quicker and more decisive.
     
  7. wrench

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    May 12, 2007
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    Stevie is a fine bar to be measured by. As I said, I hope he stays and gets all the development he can from the Belgian league. Great shop window. Who knows, maybe he ends up the mayor of Antwerp!
     
  8. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Funny you say that mvann. What he struggles with a bit now is what Stevie C had to work on at Hanover early. The size, and se his body, position better in the box on high balls, and the step up in speed,, especially isolated. Very common stuff. He does most of the hard stuff very well. Very calm. He does have a bit of Stevie C in him. Good call. I looked at him more as our Cannon like left back. Very reliable, not spectacular, with limitations. He may have more upside than Cannon because of his passing/positioning game.
     
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  9. wixson7

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  10. thedukeofsoccer

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    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
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    He makes good decisions, given what he has to work w/. Problem is he's a Heydude level of one-footed, only w/ his left. If that's cut off, he starts retreating.

    He doesn't have the physical tools of a Scally or ARob. And doesn't have creativity of Dest or a Marcelo. So he needs to optimize his football mind & skill. As of right now, he's already a plus in the former, when he's poised. So he should just get out of his comfort zone in training & play w/ his right foot as much as possible.
     
  11. tomásbernal

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    Sep 4, 2007
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    Vines looked pretty good in that video. I've never been sold on him, but he's a decent overall player. His passing was pretty good, had some decent moves to turn players. I really hope he can tighten up his touch, though. This, I think, is his greatest weakness currently but it also seems improved from what I've seen previously from him so that's a positive development.
     
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  12. Ray Shoesmith

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    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    A lot of decent observations about Sam. He is one of those players who gives me a slightly different impression every time I see him, and I easily see other evaluations, even when they weren’t ones I saw earlier.
    The good news.
    Coach trusts him. He plays for a pretty good team in a good league. He looks the part for that team. When his contract nears its end I can easily see lower top 5 being interested. I can’t say that for a lot of or guys in these types of leagues. (Denmark, Holland, Belgium). Same looks to be a “staple” guy. He can relied upon.
     
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  13. Casper

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    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Vines not in the squad for pretty meaningless Olympiacos match.
     
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  16. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Saw they won 4-2. Sam played entire match. I like when our guys go 90, for a decent team, that plays nice ball IMO, and we hear nothing.
    Steady and solid. Fine by me,
     
  17. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Got up early, parent has health issues so sleep has eluded me for a while, and watched a lot of the match.
    As usual, Sam won’t make you eyes pop out of your head, but Sam can play. A little bit of seasoning IMO and he is going to get a chance in a mid lower big 5 not named the EPL one day.
     
  18. BostonRed

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  19. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Great to see him go 90, but as a general rule, you need to worry only if a defender doesn't go 90, unless he is new, not match fit, team is desperate for goals, etc... Much different situation than our more attacking players.
     
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  20. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Well, that was the other day. Today he was on the bench and Bataille had a good match in his place.
     
  21. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
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    Started in intrasquad scrimmage:

     
  22. Casper

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    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
  23. Casper

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    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Great start for Antwerp going up 2-0 on two Frey goals in the 12th and 14th minutes. Vines not part of either.
     
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  24. TimB4Last

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    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Quiet Man in a Quiet Thread: Sam Vines at Royal Antwerp
     
  25. bshredder

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