Salinas at RB?

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by DoctorD, Jun 27, 2010.

  1. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I liked this - really, really liked this. As in USMNT fullback liked this. He is fast, big enough, and can deliver a mean cross. Shea will need more experience at the position, but he should consider a permanent move.
     
  2. Who is this guy?

    Dec 13, 2009
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was thinking the same exact thing during the game. He can even beat a player off the dribble with his skills. hes an 86 so its the perfect time for a full usmnt cap.
     
  3. Billy Zabka

    Billy Zabka Member+

    May 4, 2006
    RoFo, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shea has quickly become my favorite Union player. Great pace, good skill on the ball, and a motor that never stops.

    I'm on board - cap him!
     
  4. phillypride

    phillypride Member

    Feb 10, 2007
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was too busy screaming to carefully analyze the game, but I was impressed. His speed is a much needed addition to the back line also. What did people think of Arrieta as a center back?
     
  5. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought the back 4 was pretty damn solid overall in terms of coverage......which is a good thing to say given how bad they've been at times.

    If I had a complaint about the current set, it's that the linking to the midfield still leaves a good bit to be desired at times. Hard to say today how much of that was due to the weather-particularly in the middle of the match when their dauber was definitely down......but Salinas provided a boost and Arrieta was solid overall.

    It provided a nice cover for the captain's lack of great speed. Quietly it seems......Harvey just gets better and better for me, so if the move of Shea provides the wrench to hold it all together I'm good-though I miss what #11 brings to the attack vis a vis Houston.
     
  6. FC Matt 90

    FC Matt 90 New Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed, Shea did very well yesterday on both ends. He has great speed, which allowed him to beat or stay with Zakuani on a lot of runs (if memory serves, he really only got beat once in a 1v1 on the wing) and good patience to go along with that. I didn't see him diving in to a lot of challenges or forcing the issue going forward; he seemed to pick his spots well, offensively and defensively.

    With that being said, though, I don't want to get too caught up in just one performance. Hopefully there's more good stuff in the coming weeks
     
  7. n4100

    n4100 Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Philadelphia
    Arrieta seems a better fit alongside Califf than does Orozco Fiscal.
     
  8. JamesTaylor

    JamesTaylor BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2007
    Wilmington, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He really widened the field creating space...several times he got the ball and there wasn't a SEA player within 15 yards. I think this is what Nowak was thinking when he put him back there.
     
  9. steelhead

    steelhead Member

    Apr 22, 2009
    Pottstown
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea I really didn't miss Orozco in there at all, this may be the back four we should see from here on out. A shame we paid so much for him though, but it is just a loan so no reason we have to pick up his contract.
     
  10. FC Matt 90

    FC Matt 90 New Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This.

    A lot of times it allowed for the quick switch that opened up Seattle's defense.
     
  11. mrdivothead

    mrdivothead Member

    May 12, 2008
    Bensalem
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a very funny thread for me. Pre-game, as we were cleaning up the tailgate and had carried stuff to the van in the parking lot, this guy walks up to me and Tommy Ro and Hapka and Lorenzo. He asks to take our picture for his album of his trip here. Then he explains that he is Mr. Salinas, Shea's dad. Very nice guy. I hadn't seen the line-up yet, asked if Shea was starting. He said yes, at right back. Then he added the best line, he hates it back there.

    If that is true, that is a shame because he has the talent to be extremely good back there. His speed completely took away Zakuani, and provided one more runner on the offensive end. It reminded me of the meet the coach event at TNN, where Nowak said that if he was playing as a defender against Messi, he would be attacking, forcing Messi to backtrack and play D against him as well. Seems Nowak is trying to do that with Salinas, trying to force normally offense only players to track Salinas on the offensive end, and in effect taking their legs away from them.
     
  12. Metternich

    Metternich New Member

    Jun 28, 2010
    I like this move also, but didn't Salinas get caught way way upfield as Zakuani started the sequence that led to Seattle's goal? On TV, ESPN was showing a replay, then cut to Zakuani sprinting up the wing with Le Toux chasing. Salinas was nowhere in sight. On TV, I couldn't see what happened to get Zakuani so wide open. Other than that, I thought Salinas was great - on both ends.
     
  13. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was getting food at the time, so can't comment on this play. No doubt Salinas would need experience at the position and knowing when to go forward is the most challenging decision one must make.
     
  14. n4100

    n4100 Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Philadelphia
    Yes, yes he did. He made a run for a return ball that never got there. Le Toux tracked back in his place though but Zakuani made a great run himself. I thought Salinas played a good game, but for whoever said USMNT is obviously drunk with Union love already.
     
  15. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, because the USMNT has such a long line of right backs for 2014.
     
  16. phillypride

    phillypride Member

    Feb 10, 2007
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Four years is a long time and he wouldn't necessarily need to really shine at the position until the 2013 MLS season. An in-form striker can get a call-up for a world cup even if they haven't been hot for long (Buddle; Gomez). But, I think a right back would need to impress for longer and have a chance to play in qualifiers with others on the back line.

    Can Salinas get there? Definitely. Is he likely to? Maybe not. Cherundolo will likely be too old come 2014 (but maybe not), but could still be used for Gold Cup and qualifying the way Hejduk was for this cycle. Players way ahead of Salinas include Sean Franklin, Jonathan Spector, Frank Simek and even Marvell Wynne and Drew Moor.

    Check out this thread for interesting ideas about 2014 defenders.
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1474104
    I'll admit there are a handful that I don't know well enough to say what position they play on the back line.
     
  17. Laudy

    Laudy New Member

    Nov 17, 2007
    Reinholds, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I saw him in the parking lot as well. I didn't get ot meet him but heard him talking and he seemed like a very nice guy. Funny you mention though that Nowak might have used him to wear down Zakuani because no doubt Zakuani was completely dead when he was substituted out of the game. He was walking several times during the game so if in fact that was Nowak's goal, he suceeded big time.
     
  18. Harptattoo4

    Harptattoo4 New Member

    Jan 21, 2010
    Hatboro
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Although Salinas did factor in on the Sounders Goal as he got back but then got turned around. He essentially eradicated Zakuani from the game. It was not that long ago that we were all watching Zakuani's speed kill our spirits during the first ever Official MLS Game the Union played. His speed and abilities are a refreshing change over O-F!
     
  19. buzzkiller23

    buzzkiller23 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Glenolden, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't Orozco playing CB and Arrieta playing RB in those situations tho? I don't think O-F is to blame there.
     
  20. Laudy

    Laudy New Member

    Nov 17, 2007
    Reinholds, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Myrie was the man to blame for Zakuani the first match. He could not match his speed or talent for that matter. If I remember correctly our back line consisted of Harvey, Stahl, Califf, and Myrie. O-F and Arrieta were not even a factor.
     
  21. buzzkiller23

    buzzkiller23 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Glenolden, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know that. I think the poster was referring to our backline issues in general. Not just the first game. Orozco was CDM in that game and Arrieta wasn't here yet.
     

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