S50: Netherlands v. Sweden, 3 July

Discussion in 'Women's World Cup' started by soccernutter, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. jocasta

    jocasta Member+

    Oct 11, 2003
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    No, I was not at all serious -- that was just the logical extension of the Golden Goal argument. Other posts here have covered my own feelings -- basically I think getting a chance to respond is more fair to players on both sides (makes the goal scorers defend that slim lead) and more exciting for fans on both sides (makes the scoring team's fans cheer for the defense).
     
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  2. JimWharton

    JimWharton Member+

    Feb 25, 2017
    I guess I’m on an island on this one, but maybe this is why. Everyone seems to want the dream ending, beautiful soccer...I think it’s more interesting the way you describe it above. Biting, scraping, clawing for a win. I get why others don’t like it.
     
  3. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm just trying to imagine golden goal with VAR goal review.... the goal gets scores, everybody celebrates / drops in despair... then it's like nope wait VAR check.... everyone waits for 5 minutes wondering wtf is going on and then.... everyone celebrates / mourns or they just shrug their shoulders and get back to playing if no goal...
     
  4. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    IIRC, teams would play far more defensive styles when the Golden Goal was in effect as they realized that a single mistake would mean the match. Under the current set up conceding a goal in the opening of extra time still gives the team a chance.
     
  5. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Erika did get a yellow card when she came back on the field. Sadly, that is the only time I've seen that.
     
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  6. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weather effects can make Golden Goal unfair.

    Having watched great numbers of US college women's soccer games, many of which went to overtime, I'm completely with Gilmoy on this. It is preferable, by a lot, to have the teams play two overtimes to conclusion. Having games end on a golden goal is a very unsatisfying way to end a game.

    When I was young, I believe the rule was regular time plus two 15-minute overtimes plus two additional 5-minute overtimes if needed, no golden goal. After that, it was KFTM. I played one of those games once. The last part of the game was brutal.
     
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  7. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  8. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I'm not sure I get this idea that a golden goal is an "unsatisfying" way to end a game. The game has to end as some point: somebody is going to win in the end, and somebody will lose. You mean "unsatisfying" for the loser. Yea, losing usually is unsatisfying!

    As I said, then play 1 15-minute period and play it to conclusion and if a team has scored and is ahead at the end of the pariod....game over! Why in the world do you need to play another 15-minute period? There is no logical reason for it. If a game would be over at 90'--95', why is 110' not enough? It is completely illogical. So that, again, the trailing team doesn't come away "unsatisfied." By that measure you should keep playing all night! If nobody has scored in the 15 minute period, then play another--but only then.
     
  9. BlueCrimson

    BlueCrimson Member+

    North Carolina Courage
    United States
    Nov 21, 2012
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would have been less awful had it just been a normal goal. I could handle the US losing on a goal like Groenen's. It was the missed handball call that annoys me. That goal would have been struck down in a heartbeat with VAR.
     
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  10. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    Of course there is a logical reason for it if one team has to play into a 40 mph wind and the other doesn’t. You switch ends to equalize conditions, just like you do in regulation.
     
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  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Eh, I'm on the side that it's unsatisfying to watch in general, for the same reason that most people have said. Goals in sudden death play are always ugly, and half the time come against the run of play. Plus, just as a fan, if you're in the moment and enjoying the game, and suddenly it's over - that sucks. At least if you finish out a period (whether it be one or both), the anticipation of the clock running out adds much more drama AND prepares people for the end. And, if you're going to play one period of extra time, then for fairness you need to play the second to counteract any directional issues.
     
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  12. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    2.5 million of 10 million Swedes, that is a bigger percentage than 11.7 compared to 63 millions or even if we only compare the 11.7 with Englands 52 millions. But a bit from Netherlands 5 million of 17 million.
     
  13. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Member

    Jul 18, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    So do you think if Rolfo wasn't suspended, the outcome might have been different?
     
  14. CoachJon

    CoachJon Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Rochester, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you see that the Swedish women's football team airplane was escorted home by the Air Force?
     
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