S24.Brasil - Sweden

Discussion in '2016 Olympic Women's Soccer Tournament' started by Gilmoy, Aug 16, 2016.

  1. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We differ somewhat then. Like you, I'm okay with booing, bad language, heckling an opponent, and unlike some US fans, I'm okay with the Zika chant as well; that's fan culture that happens in a stadium.

    I'm NOT okay with slurs of any kind to any person (whether it "fits" that person or not), be the slurs racist or about sexual orientation. That crosses the line, imo.
     
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  2. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *3 golds in a row

    There's always luck involved in winning any tournament; always has been and always will be. Not that there's not skill involved as well, of course, but in a sport as cruel as the beautiful game can be, luck and the soccer gods have to be with you as well.
     
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  3. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    sorry, i don't know what i'm talking bout.
    Atlanta - Gold
    Australia - Silver
    Greece - Gold
    China - Gold
    London - who knows.
    Brazil -Quaters.

    but yes, they were mostly luck, except the 04 final. Norway also really played sophisticated soccer against us in Australia.
     
  4. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1996 Atlanta: gold
    2000 Sydney: silver
    2004 Athens: gold
    2008 Beijing: gold
    2012 London: gold
    2016 Rio: let's not talk about it.... :cry: ;)
     
  5. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    There's always a bit of luck involved. However, it's ridiculous to suggest anyone can rely on luck and still get to twelve consecutive medals. You don't flip a coin 75+ times and get 5 or fewer tails. You need top-level athleticism or skill (plus being at least slightly above average in the other) to win that much. It's not "mostly luck".
     
  6. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure if you're replying to me or not. I didn't mean to imply it was all or mostly luck, just that luck is always involved in addition to the obviously more important factors of skill, athleticism, tactics, etc.
     
  7. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Ah, sorry, I was just trying to add to the conversation in general, hence no quote - though maybe I should've quoted @BrooklynSoccer since they're the one who gave the "mostly luck" line and how nothing else could explain the US's 7 titles. Luck only helps those who are prepared to use it.
     
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  8. BrooklynSoccer

    BrooklynSoccer Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    No no no, it was all luck. and a tiny sprinkle of voodoo.
     
  9. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Upsets occur in women's soccer in about 25% of games, roughly 10% ties and 15% with the poorer ranked team winning -- this is treating any tie or loss by a higher ranked team as an "upset." This includes for Elo-based rating systems such as FIFA uses for the women. So, if the US women have all those wins due to luck (rather than being better as is suggested by their FIFA rank), it must be a form of luck that is inherent to the US team. Wow, discovering there's such a thing as inherent luck is like discovering a new dimension. In fact, maybe inherent luck resides in that new dimension and comes out only when the US women play.

    Maybe there's such a thing as inherent bad luck, too. Maybe that haunts the US men. Or the French women, for that matter.:p
     
  10. Hexa

    Hexa Member

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    I'm not defending just stating a fact. I do NOT support any kind of racist slur. Zero tolerante for racism

    I hear you about homophobic slur, and you do have a point
     
  11. hagabo_i_exil

    hagabo_i_exil Member

    Apr 27, 2004
    london
    Club:
    Umeå IK
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    In any football game, the higher ranked team has the benefit of the doubt and is far less likely to have calls go "the wrong way", so yes, inherent luck favours Germany and the US, and maybe even Sweden if they play a team ranked lower. I certainly see it when Crystal Palace plays Man United
     

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