Running and Cardio - yay or nay?

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by NewDadaCoach, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. pu.ma

    pu.ma Member

    Feb 8, 2018
    This clip is a great example on what to focus on!
     
  2. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    The prior year they did 4v4 but this year saw a shortage of coaches so they went with 5v5. Those are good ideas; esp having him hold the ball up; I had recently thought of that exact same thing. That way he can work on control while the other kids can get in position like you said.
    What about for simple positioning - have one kid stay back on defense, one kid stay up on offense and have 3 in the middle? that way we rotate some slow kids up front and they might have a chance to score off a pass.

    That little girl is insane. I see videos like that and feel we are behind already.
     
  3. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    No, I'm just wondering if college-potential is something you can tell at this age. But you folks say it is not, so I will humbly submit to your viewpoint.
    Well I'm not sure if it's important or not; I'm just curious. But yes, the reasons you mention are points I think about (for high likelihood of acceptance, D1 scholarship). That is kind of what the competitive soccer clubs pitch to the parents to justify the high prices. "It will pay off when your kid gets that scholarship worth $300k"
     
  4. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member

    Feb 27, 2017
    So next time a club says that to you, ask them what the odds are of your child getting a full ride scholarship. Ask them the last time one of their club has been offered a full ride.

    Again, a D1 school has 9.9 mens soccer scholarships to hand out for 25-30 players. Do you think they hand out all full rides, or do you think they spread them out among the players? Hint: it's the latter.

    ETA: And you don't say what you'd do if he gets accepted to a "prestigious" school, but can't play soccer.
     
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  5. pu.ma

    pu.ma Member

    Feb 8, 2018
    I think you will have a hard time doing this in a game. Why would he pass when he can just as easily blow past them and score on his own. Your best bet is in practice because you can set up games/activities with different rules. For example, 4 nets on each side of a square field. Or multiple teams to collect the most number of balls to their corners, etc. Change up the objectives to give the slower kids more opportunity for touches. Actually, every player benefits from this. IMO, hold off from teaching the little kids about defined roles/positions and just teach them about space and working together as a group.
     
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  6. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    2nd this. Don't teach them to have 1 id up, 1 kid back, 3 in the middle. They most likely already know triangles and diamonds, tell them to always make triangles with the player with the ball and you should be fine. When they don't have the ball, again with the triangle, one point blocking the kid with the ball, 2 other points behind.

    And yes, at this age there's not much difference between practice and game, lots of games with chances to score. Multiple goals are good - BUT, in my experience - I I have a 2ft pugg, and 2 cones as a gate on each endline, everyone is going to try to score on the 2 ft pugg. Make your multi goals equal. So if you don't have 4 puggs, better off doing 4 gates with 8 cones/waterbottles/shoes.

    Line the perimiter of a rectangle with the tall cones - 3 on the short sides, 4 on the long sides. Play kick in or coach feed, knock a cone over for a goal. Try to manipulate the conditions so the less frequenlty scoring kids wind up near a cone with a ball that they can turn and knock over. Sometimes once they get the taste (build a little confidence) it's all they need.

    Play to 2 tall cones each end with several flat cones on the top. Score by knocking a cone over but the scorer has to gather up all the flat cones that went flying before he can rejoin the play. Encourage the fast numbers up counter.
     
  7. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    And that's if the program is fully funded. Many aren't. Some programs have just a few scholarships to work with.
     
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  8. Backyard Bombardier

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jun 25, 2019
    This is why it is critical your child have top grades to go along with their soccer resume...it provides an avenue for the school to supplement the partial athletic scholarship with academic assistance.
     
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  9. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    If he gets accepted to any school and doesn't play soccer that's fine.
    I didn't know they spread them out. Can they spread them out as much as they want or are there rules around that?
    Football has the most scholarships so if that was the main goal I'd nudge him towards football. Maybe kicker.
     
  10. Terrier1966

    Terrier1966 Member

    Nov 19, 2016
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    If I may, the odds are so severe it is really not worth thinking of scholarships until the player is having them offered, in writing.

    I assume this is possible but take a look at US Nationals rosters or DA rosters and note how many have D1 schools listed. Even at those levels there are not as many scholarship players as you might have thought.

    I’d put it completely out of the equation lest focus on that type of outcome might screw things up more than help manifest them.
     
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  11. dehoff03

    dehoff03 Member

    Apr 22, 2016
    There’s four grown men standing on the field with 10 kids playing. I’d say there’s enough “coaches”.

    With our U littles we would split up our rosters of 10-12 and play 2 3v3 games simultaneously. We either had an assistant coach or parent step in so we had a coach for each team on both fields, or the head coaches would each take a field and manage the game and subs for both teams. If we had to manage both teams we would just rotate kids in every 3-4 minutes. We didn’t have time to record stats for the season, but the kids got more time on the ball. They seemed to enjoy it and they didn’t seem too disappointed that we didn’t have their end of season goal tallies.
     
  12. jmnva

    jmnva Member

    Feb 10, 2007
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    You can teach U6s a couple
    We used to use that model but shifted to a roster of 8 that plays a single 4v4 game. The main driver was that it made running practices easier because you were only corralling 8 kids. We play 8 minute quarters and typically sub at the 4 minute mark. It works great with kids getting lots of touches.

    I do start my kids in diamond but the formation lasts about 10 seconds.
     
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  13. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member

    Feb 27, 2017
    As far as I know, they can spread the scholarships however they want. Going back to when I worked for my college football team, the scholarships were broken up into: Tuition, Books, Housing, Meals. A player could get 1, 2, 3, or all of those. I'm assuming soccer is the same. I'm not sure how you get to the .9, but in theory there's enough scholarship money to give everyone something, provided you don't get someone everything.

    Our HS GK last year was the PK for the football team. This year one of the JV soccer players was PK (last year's GK graduated). A player on my son's club team kicks for his HS.
     
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  14. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    So do we want to talk about all the 5 year olds in colombia/jamaica/england/spain/etc that wash out of academies but hook up with placement companies to come here and play in college taking some of those 9.9...
     
  15. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    He would pass because it would be a restriction placed on him after he scores a few. Like if he's scoring on easy competition, then force him to work on his ball control and passing. But idk to be honest. So many different opinions. I waver on this all the time. At U6 I prefer to just let kids dribble and shoot as much as they want; I don't see the harm in it; they are learning to dribble and shoot, good skills to work on. But our current coach forces the kids to pass after they've scored a few. I guess it's not a horrible thing, not sure. I don't think you should ever force a kid to pass if he has a wide open shot; but some coaches disagree. Prob a good topic for another thread.
     
  16. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    No one volunteered for our team; so I did. Then another parent asked if he could help so I made him the "assistant coach." I'm guessing that's how it played out with some of the other teams too.
    The parents that coached last year didn't want to this year even though their kid was on the team. I guess they had a rough time with it. They went 0-10. Same core team except my kid was new this year and I was coach and we went 9-1. #humblebrag lol.
    The parent were great though; everyone chipped in with snacks, party, trophies, etc.
     
  17. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Why don't they offer more scholarships? My understanding is that football gets a ton, like 35? While nearly every other sport get approx 9 or 10. Is it all based on how much revenue the sport brings in?
     
  18. Backyard Bombardier

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jun 25, 2019
    ...or in basketball and Lord knows what else.

    The answer is, no we don't want to talk about it...but we should be There is ugly stuff going on with this process.
     
  19. Backyard Bombardier

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jun 25, 2019
    Major college football gets 85 scholarships, as mandated by the NCAA. The next level down (FCS) gets 63 and D2 is 36 iirc. Major college football scholarships cannot be shared between players; IDK about FCS and D2.

    The numbers aren't really revenue-based, although many would argue- not without merit- that it plays a role. Mostly though its because the sport is just so complicated, specialized, and physically demanding.
     
  20. autogolazzo

    autogolazzo Member

    Mar 4, 2007
    Are you really asking this?

    Uhh... revenue. Soccer at American colleges is basically a non revenue sport.
     
  21. upper left

    upper left Member

    Crystal Palace
    Uruguay
    Jan 27, 2018
    Way more scholarships available for football players... Please do not miss the Pop Warner tryouts, early bird discounts right now:
    https://www.sacraiders.com/
    and be sure to ask these folks lots of questions:
    https://football.dumcoach.com/community/
     
  22. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Oh so they need a much bigger roster (due to the demands)? That's why more scholarships?
     
  23. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    gee thanks upper left. your internet research skills are truly world class.
    but, doubt his mom will let him play football. but you probably already know that since you know everything about everyone.
     
  24. upper left

    upper left Member

    Crystal Palace
    Uruguay
    Jan 27, 2018
    No offense, just tired of all the questions and narcissistic pondering that is better suited to Google and Reddit.
    You are treating this board as your personal crowd sourcing tool to bounce your random thoughts against.

    The final straw (this time) is your surprise that there are many times more football scholarships available than soccer and wondering why. I find it hard to believe that a guy who supposedly grew up in the midwest is completely shocked to discover this fact. And if you truly are surprised... use Google, learn a little, then come back and offer an interesting take.
     
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  25. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    #50 NewDadaCoach, Jan 21, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2020
    Fair point. But some threads, like this one, evolve basically into casual conversation. So I don't feel I was outside the "rules" or the vibe of this thread. Are you a mod?
    Personal crowd sourcing tool? There are plenty of other people participating in the discussion. And what is a thread on a message board if not a "personal crowd sourcing tool"? That's literally what its purpose is.
    Oh you find it hard to believe that I know nothing about football scholarships? lol ok buddy. Well get over it, because I don't know anything about college sports scholarships. The fact that you would even make this an issue is just bizarre. What the hell does growing up in the midwest have to do with knowing about sports scholarships? Like people who grow up in the midwest know more about scholarships than other regions of the US? You really do live in a bubble man.
    And go back and read carefully - I wasn't surprised that there are "many times more football scholarships than soccer". I already knew that. I was wondering WHY that is the case (ie revenue, roster size)
     

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