Ruiz going to Everton?

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by purojogo, Jan 19, 2003.

  1. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is this the case? This is what the commentators from the Arsenal-West Ham game said (on FSWE)
    From what they said, it'd be a loan deal just like with Mc Bride
     
  2. TerremotoFan

    TerremotoFan New Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    San Jose, Ca
    This was also reported this morning on world soccer weekly (radio). Ruiz is to report on Monday. I can't say I think this is a good thing for MLS. We need to maintain the highest standard of play that we can afford and getting rid of Ruiz this soon is a step in the wrong direction IMHO.
     
  3. CrazyMLSfan

    CrazyMLSfan Red Card

    Oct 31, 2002
    The Home Depot Center
    There's been a lot of rumors about it, but since they found a goal-machine in Brian Mcbride, it might well become an obstacle for Ruiz.
     
  4. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm all in favor of keeping the international players that bring up the standard of the league, but I'd prefer to let some of the US players go abroad. We can't keep them all and it will help the nats to have players testing themselves at a higher level of competition.
     
  5. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    :D

    Too good to be true.
     
  6. Bethany

    Bethany New Member

    Sep 3, 2002
    Anyone know how long this loan is suppose to last?
     
  7. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The best sources on this say it's just a meeting tomorrow and nothing is set or any deal made yet.
     
  8. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought that Ruiz would not be eligable for a work permit in the UK due to his national teams sub-75 in the FIFA standings. I do not know if the same rules apply to loans. But if that is the case, I do not see how Everton could avoid that rule.
     
  9. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    yep, that is what i heard too...i dont think he is able to get a work permit.

    perhaps he is just going over for training with the squad?
     
  10. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    maybe he'll fall off the boat on the way over there and we won't have to look at his ugly-diving ass again.
     
  11. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many times the "rules" for a work permit are gone around and not set in stone and they also appeal them and often with success. I don't think Shaun Goater's Bermuda was in the top 75 but perhaps there was another reason he got around it or maybe that rule is newer.
    In McBride's case, as has been noted here before, he did not have the 75% of national team starts in FIFA "A" games for the last 2 years but injury in the 1st year was noted so it was "overlooked".
    If it was not possible to get around the rules, there wouldn't even be a meeting taking place.
     
  12. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't Bermuda part of the UK by some strange thing? I think it is like Greenland and Denmark, or Guam and the US. They have their own national team but I think Bermuda is part of the UK.
     
  13. Tea Men Tom

    Tea Men Tom Member+

    Feb 14, 2001
    Bermuda is a UK colony.
     
  14. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Ruiz going to Everton?

    Oh.. So it's an empirialist British soccer conspiracy..!!
    They won't let Bermuda go so they can get players like Goater!!
    And also because of this info from the CIA website:
    "Bermuda enjoys one of the highest per capita incomes in the world, with its economy primarily based on providing financial services for international business and luxury facilities for tourists."

    Anyway, I chose a bad example with Goater but there are cases where the rules are bent was my real point.
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If your nation is in the top 70, then 75% gets you a WP automatically. If your nation is NOT, then you have to appeal. But George Weah got a WP, so it should be a piece of cake for Ruiz. ;)
     
  16. Big Headed Iggy

    Big Headed Iggy New Member

    Dec 15, 2002
    3?

    funny if everton played all three concacaf forwards at the same time...
     
  17. subbuteo

    subbuteo New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this would be pretty incredible. But by the time Ruiz's paperwork is sorted out Rooney's suspension will almost be over.
     
  18. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The present transfer window might be the last chance Ruiz has to play in England for some time to come.

    UK work permits for footballers require that a non-EU player play in 75% of his country's 'A' matches and that his country be ranked #70 or higher by FIFA over the past 2 years.

    I'm sure Ruiz meets the 75% requirement, but right now Guatemala just meets the requirement of being ranked #70 or better.

    Presently, Guatemala has an average 2 year ranking of #65. But it currently stands at #80 in the FIFA standings, and if it stays at that ranking, it will exceed the #70 avg. cutoff in 6 months or so.

    So if MLS is interested in selling Ruiz to an English team, they'll want to seriously think about doing so now. Otherwise, by the time the next transfer window comes this summer, Ruiz may well find himself unable to obtain a work permit.
     
  19. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A loan perhaps but I just don't think MLS would sell LA's marque player right at the time they are selling season seats at 3X the previous year's rate and looking to use LA as a major promotion for the league in general this next year.
    It would be a really bad move for MLS at this time and I just don't see them doing it for a few million in a transfer fee.
    After the season, Everton could try again to buy him outright and I don't think they will have a problem with the the work permit even if they needed to appeal.
    If anything happens, I can only see a short term loan at this time. If he does well, then we'll see about later.
     
  20. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, a loan makes sense too. I'd imagine that if Ruiz played well on loan that would help his chances of winning any work permit appeal at a later date.


    BTW, have you heard how ticket sales are coming along at the Home Depot Center? Obviously, the Galaxy's new stadium should attract some first-time ticket buyers, but does it look like LA is losing many former season ticket holders due to the substantial increase in ticket prices?
     
  21. Fah Que

    Fah Que Member

    Sep 29, 2000
    LA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    If Everton wants Ruiz, he is gone. Probably for cheap too, like a few hundred thousands. MLS historically has no problem letting a non-American player go.
     
  22. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I spoke to the Galaxy a few days ago and season ticket sales are way up from previous years despite the increase in price. As I meantioned, I'm hearing 3X the rate of last year at this time. They also are expecting a huge demand for the 5 game mini-plans and warned that any games in that package may not be available for individual game ticket purchase when that is available. They try to put 5 of the best games in the mini-package.
    There will be many sellouts this year and at this point, it's hard to say what will happen but it looks really good for ticket sales.
     
  23. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is no way on earth that MLS would do that with Ruiz. Just not going to happen. They have his contract for 2 more years and they are not going to sell one of their superstars (in MLS terms) for a few hundred thousand or even a whole lot more at this time before the season starts.
     
  24. GRUNT

    GRUNT Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Lake Oswego, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Don't think so, Earthquack.

    Besides, MLS has never had a "non-American" like Ruiz.
     
  25. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    does the name stern john ring a bell?
     

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