RSL misses out on Okocha

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by dustcowpoke, Sep 3, 2007.

  1. dustcowpoke

    dustcowpoke Member

    Jan 7, 2006
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/hull_city/6977110.stm

    RSL loses out to Hull City. Why couldn't they sign this brilliant player?
     
  2. boomersooner027

    May 13, 2004
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahamas
    Re: RSL misses out

    They seem to be doing pretty well with the 3 Argies they signed rather than the one player in Okocha.
     
  3. Nidal Baba Superstar

    Sep 20, 2006
    Far away
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: RSL misses out

    Seriously. RSLFO made a smart move for once. No reason to get on them now.
     
  4. Fusion Logix

    Fusion Logix New Member

    Jun 23, 2005
    Miami,Fl
    Re: RSL misses out

    lol if the best okocha could do was "hull city" then rsl's front office made the smart move...apparently hes not as "brilliant" as he was a couple of years ago
     
  5. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hull City really??? I thought he was better than that but this shows me that RSL wasnt willing to over pay for some one they didnt think was worth the money or maybe he just didnt wan to play in MLS.
     
  6. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did the rest of the league not also miss out on Okocha, or did RSL file one of those supposedly-defunct "discovery" claims on him? Did the rest of the Coca-Cola League not also miss out on Okocha?

    Hull City is in a good place to take the risk. RSL decided it was not (and Okocha was reportedly exploring other MLS options as well).
     
  7. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Chances are, they didn't "lose out", they just decided he cost more than they wanted to pay. Might not be a bad call.
     
  8. nutella

    nutella Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Plateau
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank god, RSL passed on him... it would have been a disater.
     
  9. ritsoccer86

    ritsoccer86 Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    RSL did great on their three argies rather than bank on an old aging Okocha.

    Good job mates!
     
  10. dustcowpoke

    dustcowpoke Member

    Jan 7, 2006
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How do you know that they couldn't have both?

    Marginal Benefit = Marginal Cost
     
  11. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Well, there's the foreigner limit to consider for one.

    I think there's a fair point in noting that the three combined cost less than a single DP likely would have (and cost nothing to RSL ownership) , and it would be difficult for one DP to have the impact in improving a poor team that three above average players could, if that's what these new signings are.

    And to look at it another way, it seems difficult for Dallas to justify the Denilson expense if they're still in the Cotton Bowl.
     
  12. mutant42

    mutant42 Member

    Jul 19, 2007
    Oakford, Pa.
    RSL is on a roll in personnel. Three fine Argie signings. Morales needs minutes but promises fine spot kicking. The center-back looks like a young Nesta. Espindola needs minutes and coaching to offset a lack of speed but looks like a solid addition to the team.
     
  13. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IIRC, he wasn't asking for marginal wages.
     
  14. nutella

    nutella Member

    Nov 11, 2006
    Plateau
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope you mean in apperance.
     
  15. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    1. If RSL missed out on Okocha, than that team should have more misses like this. They signed 3 cheap Argentine players who have provided the offensive skill that team was missing to be competitive. RSL is no longer the least talented team in MLS.

    2. In "missing out" on Okocha, RSL not only added 3 first-line players with skill, but they still have the cap space and DP slot to sign...uh...Martin Palermo (not that RSL is rumored to be signing him but wouldn't Palermo be a brilliant addition for RSL--especially since the biggest hole remaining on that team is a big finisher up top)? Or if FCD decides to re-sign Denilson for 2008, acquiring Ruiz (since he's grandfathered in for 2007 but will count as a DP in 2008)?

    No, RSL didn't "miss out" on anything here. For whatever reason, they lucked out by not signing Jay-Jay. I like him and his flair but in terms of team building, RSL went with a far smarter direction. I've ridiculed the RSL "brain-trust" for many of their actions and have posted that even at the best of times, their roster was always one of the least-talented ones in MLS. But they're turning things around. They're getting younger, more skilled, they work harder and are getting good team players. If they can add a DP or player much like Columbus added Schelotto (a leader and catalyst) or a big goal scorer on the front-line, then they'll be a force to be reckoned with in 2008.
     
  16. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even with the 3 Argentines signing, RSL still has over 700k in cap space (based on $2.2 mil cap) to use...so they could still sign someone of Okocha's quality if they wanted to.
     
  17. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    Yep, that's the point. They've added a lot of quality and skill to their roster with their three Argies. And they've preserved the flexibility of adding a "difference-maker" (Schelotto is the best example of that in the league this year, even though he's not a DP. I personally think from what little I've seen of your Argentines plus the best roles for Eskandarian and Findley that a big finisher would be your ideal addition and then try to add defensive upgrades domestically and in the draft).
     
  18. Soccerdude redded

    Oct 14, 1999
    NY
    Atiba should be on his way to USL as soon as possible. If I was Jason.I would look to get Riquelme or Palermo in the future plan. Palermo could be had for $700k easy.
     
  19. Matt D

    Matt D Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    new orleans
    And you know this how?
     
  20. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    By being our resident salary/salary cap guru and keeping a spreadsheet with all of the reported salaries and transactions all year long. By sending emails and calling up the RSL FO periodically to keep track. By being an involved mod of the RSL forum and being the go-to guy on salary questions.
     
  21. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I use math and read the MLS Player salaries from the Union website.

    As for the Cap/budget amount, thats just a best guess.

    and what Ismitje said. :)
     
  22. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Surely they meant Sydney FC.
     
  23. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
    Med City
    Any chance that Okocha just didn't want to come to the US?
     
  24. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    or play on turf...sure!
     
  25. FCmagic01

    FCmagic01 Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    RSL needs a solid team be4 they get a DP.....the 3 argentines is a good start.
     

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