Rookie Watch'04: week 1

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by stopper4, Apr 6, 2004.

  1. stopper4

    stopper4 Member

    Jan 24, 2000
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please make corrections/additions to this.

    5 started, all of whom played well enough to merit further consideration, IMHO. Think your VERY early leader for ROY would be Metro's Parke.

    DC:
    Carrol starts. Plays pretty well.
    Gros comes in as sub.
    Stokes comes in even laters as sub.
    some guy named Adu. Comes in at 60th, inconclusive.
    Ara dnp
    Perkins dnp.

    San Jose:
    Levensque dnp
    Cronin injured
    Cochrane injured
    Dombrowsi dnp

    Dallas:
    Nunez dnp
    Goodson dnp
    Thompson dnp
    Wagenfuhr dnp
    Maurin dnp

    Colorado:
    Sullivan goes pretty close to 90. Plays pretty well.
    Peguero ('Pedro'). Looks good early. Beats Gibbs for pace a couple times. Sets up Spencers's goal. Didn't do much in second half. Talent is there, but he's rough and unpolished.
    Cilia dnp

    Fire:
    Buete dnp
    Griffin dnp

    KC:
    Taylor dnp
    Hesmer dnp

    LA:
    Ngwenya dnp
    Grabavoy dnp

    NE
    Dempsey comes in at 83rd.

    CBus:
    Marshall(injured)
    Wingert dnp
    Testo starts plays about 75. Didn't combine well with Cunnigham from what I saw, but then again, who does? Looked ok to me.
    Sutton came on late.
    Ritch comes on for about 15.

    Metros:
    Parke shuts down Cunningham. Pretty impressive debut for 'Mr. Irrelevant'.
    Taylor comes in at 65'.
    Bradley dnp.
    Glenn not arrived yet.
     
  2. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Technically, neither Carroll nor Stokes are rookies, it just seems that way because they look like they won a contest to spend a year on the United bench.

    Sachin
     
  3. stopper4

    stopper4 Member

    Jan 24, 2000
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going with a more traditional definition.

    If you haven't played, you're a rookie. What's MLS official policy?
     
  4. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    That's not the traditional definition. A rookie is someone in his first season of professional play. So Stokes, Carroll, Testo, Fabian Taylor, and Glenn do not qualify.
     
  5. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nor does Ritch - who played 28 minutes or so last season.
     
  6. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the "what is a rookie" front: how are you treating LA's Saragosa, the loaned player from Sao Paulo? I guess he is a rookie in the sense of not playing in MLS before. He played about 30 minutes in the second half of the game v. NER.
     
  7. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not a rookie.
     
  8. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice thread! This will help my MFLS picks.
     
  9. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can someone simply define what "rookie" means here?
     
  10. stopper4

    stopper4 Member

    Jan 24, 2000
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about San Jose's Roger Levesque and Dallas' Jason Thompson?

    They missed their entire first years with injuries. I think both should be eligible for the ROY. Anyone know what MLS' policy on 'medical redshirts' are?
     
  11. nick

    nick Member+

    DC United; Manchester City
    United States
    Nov 23, 1998
    Purcellville, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A Rookie is someone who is under contract with MLS to play their first season as a paid professional. :)

    The key points are:
    under contract
    paid professional
    first season
     
  12. dcufan1984

    dcufan1984 Member

    Feb 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what if they don't play? if a baseball player only pinch hits in 2 games and is shipped back to the minors, then comes back next season and plays 150 games he is eligible for rookie of the year. why not mls where most of the players listed have never played a professional game or only a few minutes in one game?
     
  13. Mr. Bandwagon

    Mr. Bandwagon Member+

    Terremotos
    May 24, 2001
    the Barbary Coast
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nope. Levesque played about 30 minutes in 2003.
     
  14. redzin

    redzin New Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    It depends on what your definition of "is" is.
     
  15. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Club: Inter Miami
    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well,in baseball you are a rookie if you've played 10 years in Japan. By that standard, both Gibbs and Kirovski are rookies. Let's not rely on baseball for a reference....
     
  16. TrickHog

    TrickHog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Simple. First season being paid to play as a professional. Therefore, in LA:

    Herzog, Kirovski and Saragosa are not rookies, although it is their first season in MLS.

    Ngwenya, Grabavoy, Gardner and Aloisi are rookies.

    I know Ngwenya played in a PDL team off-season during college, but wasn't paid- keeping his college eligibility. Therefore, this is his rookie season. I don't know if Saragosa has gotten any playing time with the full Sao Paolo (sp?) team or just the reserves, but he was getting paid- so he's not a rookie.

    So in LA, none of the rookies have played yet.
     

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