Rojiblanco y Azul: João Lucas de Souza Cardoso (Johnny) at Club Atlético de Madrid

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  1. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's very hard to analyze American players by "good enough for La Liga" because of the passport restrictions. LDTL cannot make the starting 11 for FC Charlotte. He's a great player (all pros are) but he's not a very good pro player. But he has a Spanish passport. It's really a complex formula.
     
  2. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  3. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's interesting that ESPN says a "low-grade" ankle injury. SBI posted a tweet that the team says he has a "high-grade" ankle sprain:
     
  4. Dervos

    Dervos Member+

    Mar 13, 2002
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    I wasn't commenting on his quality, just using his career numbers in Spain as the high-water benchmark for US-raised players. But you're definitely right to note that the passport status makes a huge difference in their ability to even get a shot in a league. I mean, it's even how Puli's been able to do a lot of the stuff he has.

    We're getting way far afield of Johnny, but it would be a fun exercise to do a similar thing and look at Euro careers holding only an American passport - though even that may be a mess given how those restrictions change over time and between leagues.
     
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  5. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team's post on X literally says a "high grade" sprain

    "alto grado"

     
  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Injury must have been upgraded when scans were fully evaluated by medical staff.
     
  7. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member+

    Oct 15, 2007
    Ugh. But honestly, if Poch wants him, he’ll bring him anyway. Don’t need Johnny to be fully fit until late June.
     
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  8. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    A low-grade muscle injury puts him out for at least a week. A "high-grade" ankle sprain like the Guardian is reporting puts him out for at least a month.

    If it's the second, he can still join the WC squad but - at best - won't be able to train until about a week before US MNT's tournament opener.

    The question therefore is how important is he to Poch's vision for the team? If he isn't that important, he won't travel and throws the door wide for Tessman.
     
  9. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Has anyone pointed out that ESPN article is from 3 months ago?
     
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  10. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    lmao, dude, my information literacy is so cooked... absolutely did not notice the date
     
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  11. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny but also might have some bearing on the recent injury. It's easier to re-injure recent injuries than get new ones. Same with hamstrings etc. The sort of confusing part is high grade strain vs high ankle strain. He's also one who really needs to be there for integration because of past performance making it an even tougher act to bring him if he will get minimal time with the team before the WC.
     
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  12. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His toughest season ever. He's been skyrocketing until now.
     
  13. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta


    Those that don't know, Tac is originally from Brazil and has communication with Johnny's family.
     
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  14. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This seems like it seals his fate.
     
  15. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That sucks. Also, is it a “high grade” (I.e. more serious) sprain or a “high ankle sprain” (i.E. high location). High ankle sprains suck and take a long time for recovery.
     
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  16. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everything I've read has said "high grade."
     
  17. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    6 weeks from now is still within the group stage. If Poch feels like taking a risk, he might still take Johnny.
     
  18. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So in the scenario he'd play himself into fitness by the final?
     
  19. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
  20. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like a torn ligament. All from a tackle during a training session.
     
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  21. madvillain2

    madvillain2 Member

    Wolves
    United States
    Jan 12, 2026
    Not a chance in hell he's ready in 6 weeks. Sucks. At least it will allow him to be rested for next year's club season.
     
  22. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member+

    Oct 15, 2007
  23. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Read somewheres it happened during a rondo too. I would be furious
     
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  24. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I witnessed something like this during a Dallas Burn practice. The offender got sent to the showers. The player who got fouled hard pretended everything was OK, waited a couple minutes and then ran to the showers for a fight (speculation on that part). Some players are just not very bright and putting someone's WC hopes or even career on the line for such things would make them a player to get rid of.
     
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  25. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And it's a pretty big gulf between the 1998 Dallas Burn and 2026 Atlético Madrid
     

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