Rochester may enter MLS in 2004

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by shuvy87, Nov 8, 2003.

  1. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would think AEG would step in before letting that happen. The Boston area is too important for it not to have a team in MLS.
     
  2. Kqql

    Kqql Member

    Sep 22, 2003
    Amazing , I got to hand it to the owner of the Rhinos. He finally found a way for the city/county of Rochester to issue the Rhinos the final permit to build the PTP.

    This is a great strategy for Rhinos to move the city/county from further delaying the ground breaking, and issue the final permit ASAP, so Rhinos can begin to build PTP.

    Moreover, the city/county is put on notice by the Rhinos, that unless the PTP Phase 1 is ready by 08/2004, MLS will not come to town.

    (So issue that permit now !)
     
  3. Treetaliano

    Treetaliano Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    San Diego
    East
    Revs
    DC
    Metro
    Rochester
    Columbus
    Chicago


    West
    Goats
    LA
    San Jose
    Calorado
    Kansas City
    Dallas


    4 interdivision matches per team = 20
    2 interconference matches per team = 12

    32 match season
     
  4. GPK

    GPK BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 5, 1999
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    total speculation and someone else thinks you're on to something.

    Jesus
     
  5. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    i agree. I don't believe the Krafts are walking away. After all, why do you think New England gets all those prime international games? Because Kraft is involved with MLS. If he walked away, you would see those games moved elswhere.
     
  6. Kqql

    Kqql Member

    Sep 22, 2003
    Why wasn't Gillette stadium selected as one of the top 7 soccer stadium in the USA by the US soccer in 2003?
    BEST SOCCER STADIUM
    This award goes to the best overall place to watch soccer. This award incorporates everything from U.S. National Team history or success at the venue, to fan turnout/atmosphere, to quality of the field and sight lines, to unique amenities.


    ANYONE ANYONE.........It could be that Kraft
    is saying good bye to soccer.

    Don't tell me NEX turf surface @PGE Park is better than Gillette .
     
  7. Bora Fan

    Bora Fan Member

    Dec 14, 1998
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    does anyone really believe this crap?

    Where is DuRoss going to get the $10-$15 million franchise fee?

    How is he going to afford doubling his salary budget?

    DuRoss struggled to meet his financial commitments to build the scaled down PaeTec - and now he suddenly has the dough to ante up to MLS?

    If MLS has waited this long for Rochester - they certainly can afford to wait another year to 2005 etc. for Rochester to build their facility, demonstrate that they can run it - and ramp up their salary budget etc.

    I think this is another optimistic Chris Bergen story that attracts your interest and the click - but disappoints when you get to the end and realize that it was more fluff than substance.
     
  8. kpaulson

    kpaulson New Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Washington DC
    I hope this is parody. Otherwise, this is among the most ridiculous things I've heard on bigsoccer.
     
  9. FairWeatherFan

    Sep 9, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    if rochester is brought in along with Chivas USA in order to "even out" the divisions, what would they do when Club America trys to buy its way into MLS?
     
  10. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The stadium is still a go, but an archeology dig has postponed ground-breaking for a couple of weeks. However, due to this and many other delays, Rochester will play most of its games next season at its present home, Frontier Field, rather than at its new SSS.

    http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/1101R1281PC_Rhinos01_news.shtml
     
  11. myshap

    myshap Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I think that's what these negotiations are mainly about and what is being kicked around until Nov. 30. Like I wrote eairler I think MLS possibly could wave the franchise fee or significantly lower it because Chivas wants in next year not in 2005, they want an even number of teams to make scheduling easier, and DuRoss and the Rhinos are a solid established group in soccer that will have an SSS built sometime in 2004. DuRoss and Rochester meet every critera that MLS put down when it started expansion talks: local commited owner, SSS, and exstablised fan base.

    I've read several times that the reason for the high franchise fee is so potential I/Os know the seriousness of the investment and don't go in it like owners in the NASL. I don't think you have to worry about DuRoss, he's a soccer guy that has run one of the best professional sports franchises.

    I raised the same questions, but now that I think about it, it's not like DuRoss is a pauper. He was part of a bid to buy the NHL Sabers. I'd venture to say that has a lot more financial commitments then MLS has right now. He has the money, but the reason he doesn't employ it in the A-League is because he doesn't need to. The players know they aren't going to get European or even MLS money when they sign up. However, even with A-League money he pays the most. That should say something.


    The story came from an article in Democrat and Chronicle Rochester's local newspaper with serveral quotes from DuRoss. I don't think this is just another Bergen story. Also I don't think DuRoss and the Rhinos have to prove anything about running a soccer franchise. An MLS announcement would only increase the frenzy of the new stadium among it's fans, Rochester, and the region.

    The one thing I am worried about is expanding faster then the talent pool allows and a drop in quality of play in MLS. Expecially if they expand 2 in 2004, then 2 more in 2005 and possibly 2 more in 2006. It means that it's even more important to keep the current talent in MLS and to stop the best from the youth Nats going to Europe to start their careers. I don't see how MLS can do this with the money they offer and the already establised, high regard leagues in Europe enticing players to play with the best in the world.
     
  12. dred

    dred Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    Land of Champions
    Every team still has a salary cap of $1.7 mil, they are going to get $1.7 mil of talent one way or another. I'm not worried about quality of play dropping.
     
  13. shuvy87

    shuvy87 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Perfect....If this works out well...
     
  14. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's also exactly what the league did back when we had 12 teams.
     
  15. drew_VT_6

    drew_VT_6 Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Orange County, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I'd love beating the Metro b/c it's great any time an upstate group of "farmers" can do something to knock the arrogance of NYC it's by no means a derby. Columbus AND NE are just as close as the swamp. Cleveland would be a much better rivalry.

    For those of you complaining about the "Ragin' " and the lame team emblem, the die hard fans have been complaining about the mickey mouse look for a couple of years.

    For those of you worried about the field turf, last I heard was that the team was looking at the same type of surface Real Madrid uses, a mix of artificial with the real stuff. It's what they have in Philly.

    DuRoss often answers questions directly on the Rhinos Forum if you have any. There's also a lot more of the local rumor mill there and the reporter who did the most recent article about the possibility of expansion has made appearances too.
     
  16. Mateofelipe

    Mateofelipe Member+

    Mar 10, 2001
    Spokane, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many hands

    Maybe getting four more investors in to soak up the losses until the New Yorsey, Dallas, Denver and Chitown stadia get built will help keep the Krafts in. Perky economic indicators don't hurt, either.
     
  17. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except for the fact that Club America has said they want an existing team and not an expansion one, you're really onto somethinghere.
     
  18. flmls

    flmls New Member

    "As for the A-League, it would be a big blow for them, IMO. They would lose their signature franchise. Plus they have lost Pittsburg, El Paso, Indiana, Charlotte and Cincinnati(no big lose there) already this year. They would still have Charleston, Minn, MIL, Seattle and Portland and Atlanta is building their own park just like Blackbaud. They would have the Canadian teams, adding Edmonton and there is talk of two more in Hamilton and Ottowa in 2004 or 2005. Then I think Ajax Orlando and a SoFl team(ie Lockhart) will join in 2005 as well. My guess is the A-Leauge would hurt a little this year, but bounce back like it's always done. The big problem will come when MLS comes calling for Seattle, Minn, and MIL one day. Maybe even Atlanta or Charleston."

    Saw this in a post earlier. No MLS team should ever be located in Atlanta. Why other sports have teams still there baffles me. It is known as the worst sports city in the country. People have too many options there to attend sporting events. Even the Braves don't sell out playoff games and the Falcons, well they suck this year, but still, they have problems as well. I have to go with no more southern teams. The attendances always suck, and it's too bloody hot when MLS plays their season.

    I hope the Rhino's get in this coming year. I heard Buffalo is getting a PDL team from a pretty good source this weekend as well. I might be in heaven shortly, from reading the other posts here as well, Hamilton might get an A-league team??? That would be awesome too, and then Clevo getting a team possibly in the next expansion series. Now only if my hometown would get a PDL team, they have the freakin complex (erie, pa. family first sports park) So basically i'd finally have soccer to watch. Since my gf lives in t.o. and i'm in b'lo, i could have 2 mls teams within an afternoon drive of me, plus 2 a-league sides and a PDL side in b'lo....About freakin time. This region needs more teams.
     
  19. dcufan1984

    dcufan1984 Member

    Feb 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i am not dillusional enough to call atlanta a good sports town, but the worst in the country???

    you have no idea what you are talking about...

    NFL 2002-2003

    Team Games Total Average
    1 Washington 8 643,950 80,494
    2 NY Giants 8 629,211 78,651
    3 NY Jets 8 628,812 78,602
    4 Kansas City 8 625,503 78,188
    5 Denver 8 604,904 75,613
    6 Cleveland 8 586,294 73,287
    7 Miami 8 585,523 73,190
    8 Houston 8 559,322 69,915
    9 Baltimore 8 554,724 69,341
    10 Atlanta 8 550,974 68,872 and a *#*#*#*#*#*# team
    11 Tennessee 8 550,437 68,805
    12 Buffalo 8 547,702 68,463
    13 New England 8 547,488 68,436
    14 Carolina 8 546,774 68,347
    15 New Orleans 8 542,796 67,850
    16 San Francisco 8 541,593 67,699
    17 St Louis 8 528,498 66,062
    18 Tampa Bay 8 525,031 65,629
    19 Philadelphia 8 523,535 65,442
    20 Minnesota 8 512,517 64,065
    21 Green Bay 8 508,788 63,599
    22 Dallas 8 504,717 63,090
    23 Seattle 8 504,621 63,078
    24 San Diego 8 494,973 61,872
    25 Pittsburgh 8 490,274 61,284
    26 Detroit 8 489,742 61,218
    27 Oakland 8 485,092 60,637
    28 Chicago 8 464,465 58,058
    30 Indianapolis 8 453,357 56,670
    31 Jacksonville 8 450,216 56,277
    32 Cincinnati 8 422,235 52,779
    33 Arizona 8 327,272 40,909

    MLB 2002-2003

    Team Games Total Average
    1 NY Yankees 81 3,465,600 42,785
    2 Seattle 81 3,268,509 40,351
    3 San Francisco 81 3,264,898 40,307
    4 Los Angeles 81 3,138,626 38,748
    5 Anaheim 81 3,061,094 37,791
    6 Chicago Cubs 80 2,962,630 37,032
    7 St. Louis 81 2,910,386 35,930
    8 Arizona 81 2,805,542 34,636
    9 Boston 81 2,724,165 33,631
    10 Atlanta 79 2,401,084 30,393 underachievers and perennial playoff losers
    11 Baltimore 81 2,454,523 30,302
    12 Houston 81 2,454,241 30,299
    13 Cincinnati 81 2,355,259 29,077
    14 Philadelphia 78 2,259,948 28,973
    15 Colorado 81 2,334,085 28,815
    16 NY Mets 76 2,140,599 28,165
    17 Oakland 81 2,216,596 27,365
    18 Texas 81 2,094,394 25,856
    19 San Diego 81 2,030,084 25,062
    20 Minnesota 81 1,946,011 24,024
    21 Chicago Sox 81 1,939,524 23,944
    22 Kansas City 78 1,779,895 22,819
    23 Toronto 81 1,799,458 22,215
    24 Cleveland 81 1,730,002 21,358
    25 Milwaukee 81 1,700,354 20,992
    26 Pittsburgh 78 1,636,751 20,983
    27 Detroit 80 1,368,245 17,103
    28 Florida 80 1,303,215 16,290
    29 Tampa Bay 81 1,058,695 13,070
    30 Montreal 81 1,025,639 12,662


    NHL 2002-2003

    Team Games Total Average
    20 Florida 41 632,552 15,428
    21 Boston 41 616,197 15,029
    22 NY Islanders 41 612,154 14,930
    23 New Jersey 41 609,218 14,858
    24 Chicago 41 606,580 14,794
    25 Pittsburgh 41 604,728 14,749
    26 Anaheim 41 573,524 13,988
    27 Buffalo 40 549,402 13,735
    28 Atlanta 41 552,535 13,476they are a recent expansion team, they suck (until this year), and its hockey... in ATLANTA!
    29 Phoenix 41 542,404 13,229
    30 Nashville 41 542,367 13,228

    NBA

    dead last. no money, no stars (dominique, where have you gone?), no fans, and no chance. used to draw pretty well, but years of inept ownership and losing have killed the franchise.

    now atlanta may be mediocre to above average, but the worst? no. that would probably be somewhere in florida or arizona. however, atlanta (or any southern city for that matter) should only be seriously considered as an mls expansion candidate when an invester appears and the league has stabilized enough. i would consider it on par with florida's chances... meaning possibly but no time soon.
     
  20. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it true that the league will allow the Rhinos to only sign players from upstate New York?? :)
     
  21. dcufan1984

    dcufan1984 Member

    Feb 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if this happens then i will boycott mls and never watch another game of soccer in my life. ATTICA!
     
  22. shuvy87

    shuvy87 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    First of all, where did you here this news. May be a link would be helpful.

    Second, if they do this it's probably for first few years.
    There is no way in hell that Rochester will be competitive if they only sign players from upstate NY. I don't mean that NY doesn't have players with quality, but if the players are chosen from a wider range, then there is a greater potential.
     
  23. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    That is the funniest joke I've seen that flew under people's radars.
     
  24. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: Re: Rochester may enter MLS in 2004

    Security, I'm getting reports of a busted Sarcasm Monitor in Sector 7. Please isolate and terminate with extreme prejudice.

    Sachin
     
  25. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you just get here, or what?

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