River Plate: El MAS GRANDE de la HISTORIA (Match Thread / General Discussion)

Discussion in 'River Plate' started by locoxriver, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. megamac20817

    megamac20817 Member+

    Jul 9, 2005
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It is insane that we've lost not one, not two, but three quality fullbacks on free transfers in just the last 5 years. As short supply as they are in, it's inexcusable that Vangioni, Angileri and Mayada all left without a penny for the club.

    Casco is a better RB than Herrera and a better LB than Gómez in his 30s. We're boned on the flanks.
     
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  2. Loco

    Loco Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Adios El Muñeco - you will be missed. IMO, Gallardo is the best Argentinean manager right now. There will be a European club very happy next season
     
  3. megamac20817

    megamac20817 Member+

    Jul 9, 2005
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    No doubt, I expect him to settle into European football by July (assuming he doesn't get hired in the winter window).

    In replacement news, Demichelis seems to be leading the pack, and I'm relatively pleased with the idea. Succeeding Gallardo is sure to be a daunting task for any manager, but I've heard really good things about Demi's management of Bayern's Reserve and youth teams up to now.
     
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  4. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  5. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  6. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Julian was spectacular today.

    Enzo F was very good as usual too.

    Glad to see they seem to be such good friends.

    Good to see Pezzella get some minutes. IMO, he is better than either Romero or Otamendi.

    I wasn't around when Gallardo said his good bye. He will be missed. He changed the history of this club. Gracias, Napoleon.
     
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  7. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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  8. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Otamendi should come after the WC as he originally planned to, but now that Benfica is actually playing good for once he’s more than likely just going to stay there til June.

    Hopefully Quintero renews.. he’s in a league of his own, and if they let him go just to be cheap they’re going to end up spending double on a random flop
     
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  9. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    IMO Quintero will not be back. He is great and we should build team around him, but I don't think he is willing. I may be wrong, but the guy always seems to be partying some where and not at training.

    If Quintero wants to come to River and put in the work, he is the most talented player in Argentina, but I just get the feeling he'd rather be at Inter Miami
     
  10. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I know this post is from a long time ago, but I've been away from the forum. It reminds me that also Marcelo Saracchi was sold after only 6 months- 6 great months- and has had an anonymous time in Europe. He should have been kept and then sold for more later. He would have been a major asset
     
  11. LaBandaTurquia

    LaBandaTurquia New Member

    River
    Dec 15, 2022
    "Micho" Demichelis is currently working on a 3-1-3-3 according Sebastian Srur.


    I really like that, this would be like a 3-4-3 Diamond in Barca Style, as we know Micho is a fan of the Pep Guardiola Style.

    - Demichelis: “Nunca he trabajado con Pep Guardiola, pero soy un gran admirador suyo”
    https://argentina.as.com/futbol/dem...-guardiola-pero-soy-un-gran-admirador-suyo-n/
    - Demichelis on having a co-coach in Danny Schwarz: “Danny loves Pep Guardiola’s coaching philosophy as much as I do. Alongside our assistants Stefan Buck and Christian Saba, we work really well and in harmony together. We benefit from the fact we all have the same game philosophy.”
    https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bunde...nich-reserve-team-coach-messi-argentina-15304
    etc

    This 3-1-3-3/3-4-3Diamond is basically a Cryuff-Style that Guardiola implemented with his own touch at Barca (the "1-3" part of the 3-1-3-3 would be the "4" of the 3-4-3 Diamond, so basically 1-3 = 4D, hope we have no mathematician here...). I would look like that:
    https://spielverlagerung.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/Barca-2011.png
    https://spielverlagerung.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MF-Anzahl-Systemvergleich-284x427.gif
    https://spielverlagerung.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/Typical-3-d-3-positioning.png
    https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uBR2py2CCg4o2FGFqXuCNC-1200-80.jpg

    Tactically we would focus on the Assist-V shape when we have to ball which would be the focus:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyk8rfZW0AM_rFS.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-AiXxdXUAE8jss.jpg
    Would look like:
    https://footballbh.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/4-8.png
    https://footballbh.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/8-7.png
    https://footballbh.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/3-7.png

    At defending the defensive midfielder would join the back line with the 3 defenders so we would have 4 defenders in a line and built a 4-3-3, when we have the ball we switch back to 3-1-3-3/3-4-3Diamond. So basically a switch between 3-1-3-3/3-4-3Diamond at attacking and 4-3-3 at defending. Maybe that will be the role of Matias Kranevitter and Felipe Peña Biafore as back up, to play a key role as "connector" (lets call it that way). Micho had this system also at Bayern2 coach several times, but mainly he played 4-3-3 (which changed at attacking in a 3-2-5 way).
    https://www.transfermarkt.es/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/3595648
    https://www.transfermarkt.es/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/3595365

    For me this is a very interesting system which would fit to our River-Dna of football.
     
  12. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  13. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That picture is amazing. I seriously wonder how much Enzo Fernandez would have been worth if we had kept him through the World Cup. Benfica is going to cash in on him and make so much money, but it is frustrating how we sell our guys for peanuts.

    I think @SupaMario was talking about nationalities of players and how much they are worth and I will say that I don't think Argentine players are undervalued based on nationality, especially now we've won the World Cup all these players are going to be worth even more. The problem is Argentine clubs gifting players to Europe for peanuts only to see them sold on for so much more. Yes, the clubs and country are in financial crisis constantly, but the likes of Brito need to be firmer in these transfer fees especially when you knew the type of crack Enzo was.

    Julian Alvarez is sort of the same situation, but different bc he was sold almost a full year ago and I also don't think he will leave Man City any time soon, maybe to real Madrid in 5 years if he keeps up on this trajectory.

    Enzo on the other hand is sad... We barely enjoyed him at River and Benfica was always going to be a stepping stone club for him.
     
  14. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    First friendly of preseason and I really like the looks of the team, without Gonzalez Pirez of course.

    Ezequiel Centurión; Emanuel Mammana, Robert Rojas, Leandro González Pirez; Matías Kranevitter; Santiago Simón, Enzo Pérez, Agustín Palavecino; Pablo Solari, Miguel Borja y Esequiel Barco.

    Now how do you form the team with Nacho F and De La Cruz? Could you possibly play with them plus the three up top? Against the small team in El Monumental, why not.

    Its exciting to have a coach with such an attacking philosophy who doesn't seem to be a charlatan/smoke seller like Cappa.
     
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  15. megamac20817

    megamac20817 Member+

    Jul 9, 2005
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Now that's a lovely problem to have: how to fit De la Cruz, Nacho Fernandez, Agustín Palavecino and Santiago Simón into a single squad. I suspect Simón is going to wind up 4th in the attacking midfielder pecking order, or 3rd in the holding/box-to-box midfielder pecking order (behind Enzo and Krane).
     
  16. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Kranevitter had his ankle broken. Completely reckless, unnecessary challenge by the Chilean. Really disgusting.

    I did not see the match, but it seems the whole match featured constant fouling by the chilean team. Really upsetting news. I cannot understand the attitude of this team playing River and going into a preseason friendly and fouling non stop and rough house tactics. Completely disgusting in all honestly. Demichelis was not pleased in the manner the match was played.

    Heartbreaking for Krane. Fuerza!
     
  17. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  18. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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  19. Loco

    Loco Member+

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    River to receive about €41M for Enzo Fernández’s transfer to Chelsea, on top of the other €18M River received for Enzo's 75% ownership back in September. In total, River would receive about €57-59ish Millions. In addition, per FIFA rules, the River Plate youth system is entitled to formation fees for developing him.

    Hopefully AFIP won't take too much, and hopefully most of the €€ will be spend on player development.
     
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  20. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
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    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They’re getting more than $20m

    Brito confirmed River will receive $24.7m from the deal, to be paid in multi-year installments
     
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  21. aerez

    aerez Member+

    Jul 8, 2006
    Beautiful.
     
  22. LaBandaTurquia

    LaBandaTurquia New Member

    River
    Dec 15, 2022
    From a tactical point of view, we may point out that (with the ball) Demichelis wants to play a 3-1-3-3. I did some Screenshots from the frist half against Belgrano to visualize:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoXj3joXoAA2y-4?format=jpg&name=large

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoXj3jEWIAIUE6u?format=jpg&name=large

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoXj3jPXoAExM2L?format=jpg&name=medium

    It is not that kind of "classical" 3-1-3-3 as expected (which i mentioned before), but a bit different style. The central defender of the 3 defenders moves a bit forward like a sweeper/libero and is more involved in the passing game then the other defenders, he supports the central midfielder with the build up and is offering creativity. In front of the central midfielder in a role as deep-lying-playmaker, you have another central midfield as playmaker with a mainly offensive role and lower defensive responsibility. So you generally have 3 players in the middle for the creativity, to deliver passes and control (sweeper/libero, deep-lying-playmaker and offensive cm or play maker). Also as possible contact points " to widen" the offensiv play, our right-back and left-back move forward as wingers. Then there are our 3 forwards which we need to deliver with passes and to put in action.
     
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  23. LaBandaTurquia

    LaBandaTurquia New Member

    River
    Dec 15, 2022
    #423 LaBandaTurquia, Feb 7, 2023 at 9:59 AM
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2023 at 10:24 AM
    In addition this could be the tactical approch on a tactical board (of course you can change the names/players like Simon as right back/winger, Kranevitter etc):

     
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