Rise and fall of Kuwait

Discussion in 'Asian Football Confederation' started by rkim291968, Oct 27, 2004.

  1. rkim291968

    rkim291968 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    CA, USA
    Kuwait is just about the only Asian team which has a winning record against Korea. This is no accident as Kuwait was top of Asia once. But in the recent AC, Korea beat Kuwait 4:0.

    I am curious. Can someone knowledgeable in Arab soccer explain the rise and fall of Kuwait. How did they rise to the top of Asian soccer once?
     
  2. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Iran had won the 1968, 1972 and 1976 Asian cups in a row and was the favorite to win the 1980 Asian cup.

    But 1980 Asian cup was being held in Kuwait when just 12 hours before the Iran-Kuwait semi-final, Iraqis invaded Iran. With the Iranian players' mind on the outbreak of the war back home, Kuwait went on to win that game 2-1 in extra time and move on to the final where they also defeated Korea and won 1980 Asian cup.

    Kuwaitis had became the first Arab team to defeat Iran and win an Asian cup ever. They later qualified for the 1982 world cup and established themselves as a new powerhouse in Asian football.

    But the 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait had a very negative effect on their soccer and they have been a struggling team even since. Kuwait's golden era was the 80's and to their credit, unlike most gulf teams, they play fair and clean soccer :)
     
  3. HiJazzey

    HiJazzey Member

    Jan 29, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Al Ittihad Jeddah
    You know Mani, you remind me of Walter in The Big Lebowski :D .
    Whatever the topic of conversation, he'll always manage somehow to turn it about Vietnam. Same with you and Iran.
     
  4. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    It's very related my friend! That's how Kuwait's glory in 80's started; by narrowly beating the defending three-time Asian cup champions Iran ;)
     
  5. Holyjoe

    Holyjoe Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    ROK/SCO
    They appointed Berti Vogts...





    ;)
     
  6. HiJazzey

    HiJazzey Member

    Jan 29, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Al Ittihad Jeddah
    lool

    But seriously, if you look at Kuwait's football record, what you notice is that they have little bursts at the top, then settle down at mid level. I think that's down to the fact with Kuwait being such a small country, it relies on a small pool of players. Every once in a while, they get an outstanding bunch, but they don't have a consistent supply. So in the early 80s they had a good crop of players, and they briefly shined in 80 and 82, but by 84 they already begun to fade so that by 86 they didn't make it past the first round of WCQ (same in 90), and by 1988 they didn't come out of the group stage of the AC (in 92 they didn't make it at all). They then had a good crop in the mid 90s, and now again they're in decline, and repeat the cycle. They are due a good batch right now.
     
  7. Txtriathlete

    Txtriathlete Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    The American Empire
    Bottom line, like Hijazzey said, they are little in size with relatively minute resources to pick from for a national team, yet they have managed to create a rivalry with the Saudis! thats pretty damn impressive for a lil country like Kuwait if you ask me.
     
  8. rkim291968

    rkim291968 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    CA, USA

    Thanks for *all* your replies. I am getting the picture.

    Do you know what is more amazing? They have winning record againstKorea leading up to the last AC where Korea finally blew them out with 4:0 score. The only Asian team that comes close to Kuwait is Iran which has a even record against Korea.
     
  9. Saudi Bill

    Saudi Bill New Member

    Aug 6, 2001
    Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    With all respect, beating korea is not realy considerd amazing.

    I know the have a great team, but amazing is more like what korea did in WC2002 by beating THE big boys.
     
  10. Liban

    Liban Red Card

    Jul 24, 2003

    looooooool i must be Jesus im the only guy 'Walter' might show some fear
     
  11. Liban

    Liban Red Card

    Jul 24, 2003

    Hijazey this is the case with Saudi Arabia too i say a good batch of players are due
     
  12. Mani

    Mani BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 1, 2004
    Club:
    Perspolis
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia's batch of good players were the ones who won the 1988 U-17 world cup and made it to the last 16 of the 1994 world cup. You'd have to wait a few years or so for another batch of good players to come along. For now, I see a very difficult road ahead for the Saudis in the final round of the Asian WCQ.
     
  13. Liban

    Liban Red Card

    Jul 24, 2003
    it was the 1989 world cup in scotland...but the 1994 team contained only one member from that youth squad....super goalie Al Daeyea.

    Im not worried at all about the WCQ its the world cup itslef that im worried


    back to kuwait....the Kuwait squad of 1996-1999 was awesome and very very underrated especially the Jassim Al Huwaidy and Bahsar Abdullah attacking force, I remember how they won the 1998 Gulf cup with something like 20+ goals
     
  14. Wargamer

    Wargamer Red Card

    Apr 24, 2004
    Korea and Kuwait were tied leading up to the 90's. We accumulated 3 losses during 94-96(2 during Hiroshima Asian Games).

    They are not the only one. Saudis are also even with Korea(3-3-4). But Koreans have a positive goal differential(+2).(vs Iran +3)
    There is another country(I forget the name) whose recored is 1-0 vs Korea. And currently we are tied with maldive too(1 draw).
     
  15. Holyjoe

    Holyjoe Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    ROK/SCO
    No they weren't.

    The full record (from the KFA website):

    0-0-1 (72/5/12)
    0-0-2 (74/9/6)
    1-0-2 (77/10/9)
    1-1-2 (77/11/5)
    2-1-2 (78/12/13)
    3-1-2 (80/9/21)
    3-1-3 (80/9/30) <--- when Korea & Kuwait's record was "tied"
    3-1-4 (81/4/29) <--- when Kuwait moved ahead
    3-2-4 (84/17/4)
    3-3-4 (84/5/12) <--- the last match in the 80s
    4-3-4 (90/10/1) <--- the first match in the 90s, when the record was "tied" again
    4-3-5 (94/10/7)
    4-3-6 (94/10/15)
    4-3-7 (96/12/10)
    5-3-7 (98/12/11)
    5-3-8 (00/10/16)
    6-3-8 (04/07/27)

    Kuwait had a winning record in matches against Korea "leading up to the 90s". Korea did however tie that record during the first match of the 1990s.
     
  16. rkim291968

    rkim291968 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    CA, USA
    Let me clarify. It is amazing for an *Asian* team to have a winning record against Korea. According to Wargamer in previous post, there is only one team now (1-0) with winning record against Korea.
     
  17. Holyjoe

    Holyjoe Member

    Jul 15, 2003
    ROK/SCO
    Turkmenistan, I believe. A 3-2 win in the 1998 Asian Games (Choi Yong-soo scored both Korea's goals).

    Syria have a level record, with one win and one defeat.
     
  18. Wargamer

    Wargamer Red Card

    Apr 24, 2004
    Korea and Kuwait were tied leading up to the 90's. We accumulated 3 losses during 94-96(2 during Hiroshima Asian Games).

    They are not the only one. Saudis are also even with Korea(3-3-4). But Koreans have a positive goal differential(+2).(vs Iran +3)
    There is another country(I forget the name) whose recored is 1-0 vs Korea. And currently we are tied with maldive too(1 draw).
     
  19. Wargamer

    Wargamer Red Card

    Apr 24, 2004
    I considered 90's as 1991-2000. Much like 20th century is from 1901 to 2000.
     
  20. Wargamer

    Wargamer Red Card

    Apr 24, 2004
    Kuwait still leads. Our record now stands at 6 wins 8 losses -2 goal differential.
     
  21. rkim291968

    rkim291968 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    CA, USA
    Thank, Holyjoe & Wargamer for providing more details.
     
  22. Saudi64

    Saudi64 Member

    Apr 28, 2004
    Riyadh KSA
    Club:
    Al Shabab Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    Yeah the players we have right now are pretty good. Injuries, young ages, and bad coaches have affected them IMO. Look at Yasser Gahtani and Almontashri, they will be one of the best players in the Saudi history, they are still 22 years old. If Nawaf AlTemyat could come back soon, him and Nour would make an awesome midfield. Just need to wait and see.
     
  23. HiJazzey

    HiJazzey Member

    Jan 29, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Al Ittihad Jeddah
    I don't think it's as much the case with Saudi. If it is, the effects are much less pronounced.
    The Saudi team has been a fairly consistent performer through the years. Our current crisis is unusual in that sense.
    IMO I think our administration and management problems through the years have finaly cought up with us, rather than a lack of talent available is the reason why Saudi football is in such a bad state. Like Saudi64, I believe we have a good bunch of players.
     
  24. Saudi64

    Saudi64 Member

    Apr 28, 2004
    Riyadh KSA
    Club:
    Al Shabab Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    Yeah administration and coaching in here suck. We are repeating the same problem like in 02! Naser AlGohar is coaching us, where is the 'new experienced coach' they said they will bring. Stupid administration, just washing our players talent in the drain.
     

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