Richard “Richie” Ledezma at PSV Eindhoven

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  1. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

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    maybe wanna secure his next contract before risking him on the field (esp with dest now back)

    an injury now would be quite the setback in terms of his career progression
     
  2. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Tuesday afternoon Peter Bosz was asked about the injuries and absent-day Wednesday night during the preconsidering press conference at the home game with Heracles Almelo: "Richard Ledezma is sick, weak and nauseous, because he is suspended so he will not be there tomorrow anyway. We still have to train. Outside Richy, the team will be similar to the match against Feyenoord.”
     
  3. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

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    That's a pretty clear explanation.
     
  4. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Yeah, was pretty descriptive... "and he's suspended anyway" was the kill shot.
     
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  5. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

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    At first I thought that was adam tash describing Richie “He is sick and weak!”
     
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  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    (for tomorrow - all Ered games Sunday this week) Richard Ledezma is also in the selection, he returns from a suspension.


    Only Jerdy Schouten, Ricardo Pepi, Lucas Pérez and Rick Karsdorp are not present. They are all struggling with too serious injuries.
     
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  7. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Ledezma a bench DNP as a combo of a healthy Dest and Tillman let Bosz start Junior at LB and Dest at RB. Still Ritchie contributed a lot to PSV's title after karsdorp proved damaged goods.

    Meanwhile, Goal reporting the Chivas move with details. Me, I got no idea how realistic/real it is: The Guadalajara-based club has reached a verbal agreement with PSV Eindhoven’s Richard Ledezma, according to César Luis Merlo.

    https://www.goal.com/en/lists/repor...a-2025/bltf374fa9156727145#csc87fb396abaa283f
     
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  8. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
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    Well, at least he's leaving with an Eredivisie title under his belt as PSV seal the title with a 3-1 win on the final day. Having notched 28 league and 11 CL appearances this season, won an improved contract offer and ousted the club's 2nd-highest earner (Karsdorp) from the squad to boot, he's had an undeniably successful season.

    Makes a Liga MX move all the more baffling. It's possible that this is a financial move. Eocon 101 suggests that minimum native player restrictions will bid up the wages, then transfer fees of homegrowns, sparking an influx of pedigreed dual nats on salaries that only their current league's EL or CL sides pay. A starter for Gladbach getting a Dortmund starter's salary basically.

    IIRC Turkey had exactly that experience some years back and Richie is moving to one of Los Cuatro Grandes, bringing real pedigree with him. If so, it's hard to argue. It's not that long ago that people were arguing that he was done at this level. Only a year ago in fact. Some idiot Irishman was rather categorical about that. Wonder what became of him :speechless::speechless::speechless:
     
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  9. Pegasus

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    Gives me hope for Gio. PSV would be a good place for him to rehabilitate his health and image. It's done wonders for Dest and Ledezma.
     
  10. The Irish Rover

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    For sure. Reyna's fanboys keep arguing that, 3 years on, he's still not fully fit. In which case the rigours of a full Top 5 season are quite clearly beyond his physical capacity but his other qualities should translate well to a league with 6 CL or EL group stage teams. '

    That offers top-class competition in at least 12 league games a season, plus another 8 CL or EL games, while there'll be another 12 games where playing at 100% for 60 rather than 90 minutes will be plenty good enough. And it's not just Dest and Ledezma. The Old Firm have a similar offer to players and it's worked a treat for Yanks down the years. It's hard to imagine CCV becoming such a presence on this site if he was at, say, Norwich.
     
  11. The Irish Rover

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    It worked a charm for Mario Gotze. Washed out at Dortmund, two good seasons at PSV convinced Frankfurt to bring him home and he's a key player for them, including in the EL elimination rounds.
     
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  12. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    Goal has him valued at 3 mill, fwiw. Dunno what the MX endorsement market looks like, but certainly he'd be worth more at Chivas than PSV for non-footie earning. Any native speakers know how his Mex/Spanish is?
     
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  13. zlatan_but_a_car

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    Oct 16, 2017
    Richie is named to the USMNT's 60-man provincial roster for the Gold Cup, but not to Mexico's.

    It really is entirely possible that Richie got a Mexican passport to make him more appealing to LMX clubs and not to file a one-time switch.
     
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  14. Gorky

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    Well Richie is definitely not a right back, so if he gets to play in central midfield, moving might be a good idea.
     
  15. Bobbyho36

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    Having the ability to get a second passport and deciding not to is just generally inexplicable to me. Unless you’d have to give up the first one or because tax implications, I guess.
     
  16. felloveranddidanadu

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    Dec 12, 2009
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    I wonder if in a round-about way him getting a Mexican passport makes it easier to eventually get a Spanish one? Pure speculation
     
  17. Mt Stone@

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    could have fooled me. For sure thought he played right back all year for the best team in the Netherlands.
     
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  18. The Irish Rover

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    But who did PSV play at RB in the CL? That's the real test and they played . . . Ledezma.

    With Dest recuperating and only Richie as a regular RB option, PSV signed Karsdorp, a specialist RB with 7 years in Serie A and 50 CL and EL games on 3-4 times the salary. He was to be the starter and Richie the 2nd choice. Didn't work out that way, even before Karsdorp got injured.

    Ledezma may want to be a No.10, but if a CL side that you've been with since he turned 18 says he's a better option at RB and plays him there all season, maybe he's the one missing something.
     
  19. The Irish Rover

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    Spain's preferential treatment for its Latin American former colonies doesn't cover Mexico.

    In any case, with his record this season, a WP would be a formality. There's also the fact that his next contract will be at least 3 years and, with him being a free agent 4 is more likely. Pro football is a very short career and Richie is 25 in September. "Eventually" is now for him.
     
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  20. Gorky

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    Sorry I meant I don’t think he wants to become a right back and thinks of himself as a central midfielder. He certainly did a decent job at RB this year though he still made big mistakes occasionally.
     
  21. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I wonder if part of his reason for moving is hoping to get back into contention at midfield somplace. I don't know enough about Chivas' game but I think that most folks in Dutch footie - and perhaps much of Europe - would now see him as an RB - and his game is very compatible with Dutch Full-backing. PSV clearly think he's not the answer in midfield but is good general cover, including FB - he's kind of a Jr. Jr. Be interesting, if the move happens, to see if it includes a path back to midfield.
     
  22. The Irish Rover

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    Sure, but it still begs the question of whether he really is a CM at top level and whether it's best to be a CM/AM in Liga MX or RB for a CL elimination rounds side because, a dozen or so MLS games apart, almost all of his senior PT has come at RB. That doesn't mean he can't play in the middle/in the hole, just that he has a much clearer path to PT at this level as an RB, while PT in the centre means dropping down from PSV to AZ, Twente or, further afield, Braga.

    Beasley had a similar dilemma some years back, in that he started out as an LW and was a pretty good one but changes in tactical doctrines reduced the demand for his version of that position. It wasn't until he started dropping deeper as an LM and then an LB/LWB in Mexico that he got back on track. The difference is Beasley was nailed to the bench at Rangers, while Ledezma is a starter
     
  23. m vann

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    #2799 m vann, May 20, 2025
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    Aside from maybe a cultural standpoint and the draw of playing for one of Mexico's historic elites, moving to Chivas (and really Liga MX) is a big step back. The reality is that Chivas has been pretty damn mediocre the last 8 seasons. They can't compete with Tigres, Monterrey, America, and Cruz Azul no matter how much money they throw at players. I hope Richy stays at PSV or at the very least stays in Europe. I don't care if he's a CMF or a RB. I just want the dude to play and flourish. I really like his game

    Chivas Past 8 seasons:

    2017-18 (13th apertura / 17 closura)
    2018-19 (11th / 6th)
    2019-20 (10th / 4th)
    2020-21 (7th / 9th)
    2021-22 (10th / 6th)
    2022-23 (9th / 4th)
    2023-24 (5th / 4th)
    2024-25 (9th / 11th)
     
  24. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
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    Manchester United FC
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    Sure, but it still begs the question of whether he really is a CM at top level and whether it's best to be a CM/AM in Liga MX or RB for a CL elimination rounds side because, a dozen or so MLS games apart, almost all of his senior PT has come at RB. That doesn't mean he can't play in the middle/in the hole, just that he has a much clearer path to PT at this level as an RB, while PT in the centre means dropping down from PSV to AZ, Twente or, further afield, Braga.

    Beasley had a similar dilemma some years back, in that he started out as an LW and was a pretty good one but changes in tactical doctrines reduced the demand for his version of that position. It wasn't until he started dropping deeper as an LM and then an LB/LWB in Mexico that his career got back on track. The difference is Beasley was nailed to the bench at Rangers. Ledezma is a starter at PSV
     

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