Ricardo Pepi thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by schrutebuck, Sep 9, 2021.

  1. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Excuse me, I said Josh Gatt, when I meant Joe Gyau. Two JG's w/ career derailing knee issues.
     
  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    11 goals in 683 minutes

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  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    PSV with 5 of the top 10 goal scorers in the league. Ridiculous....................
     
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  4. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any word on Pepi's recovery?
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Worth noting that de Jong's number declined precipitously. I mean, he's still fine.
    he went from an all-time epic season of 44 goal contributions in 34 league games last season to 22 such contributions this season. Half as much. I get it. It would have been hard for Luuk to match that 23/24 season.

    Still, this seems now like an obvious passing of the torch to Pepi coming next season. One trending up and the other trending down. Luuk is out of contract, but reports are that they're talking about a 1-year contract extension with him.
     
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  7. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    That'll do!
     
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  8. HartwickFan

    HartwickFan Member

    Jul 31, 1999
    Climax, MI
    Club:
    VfR Wormatia 08 Worms
    Nat'l Team:
    Tuvalu
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  9. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    There's often a lot of debate about what level of play is ideal for a developing soccer player, but I think that at least one aspect of Pepi playing on a PSV side - for a few seasons under the shadow of de Jong - that gets a lot of relatively easy Ered games coupled with a good dozen+ top Ered and CL matches is he's been able to really intentionally work on his "playmaking 9" skills/abilities. Of course, he could also have developed this aspect of his game elsewhere, but it's a pretty entrenched aspect of this PSV side and a guy with Pepi's skill set could easily have been stuck in a very narrow "traditional tip of the spear" 9 role at other clubs. Watching him the last few years he seems to play smarter and smarter every time he hits the field - and his goal contributions have been extremely consistent for such a young player. Really fun to watch his development, despite the time on the bench (or the physio table.)
     
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  10. The big non-Dutch clubs/clubs in the top leagues have coaches without the need or the capabilities or the intention to put in skills that make a player better. They're on the watch of being pulled the rug from under them, if they don't get results...so good luck with investing efforts and time to make a player complete.
    Dutch clubs can't afford the complete product, especially those not called Feyenoord, PSV or Ajax.
    So Dutch (Belgian ones too, I guess) coaches by default are tuned in to get an unfinished product and make it better.
     
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  11. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Yeah, lost in the dogmatic USMNT fan development philosophy that high levels of competition are the only thing that drives improvement is that I think it is very beneficial for players to actually play at levels where they can be one of the better players but are still challenged.

    It's incredibly hard to work on certain aspects of your game if you are just barely treading water. Even if you could do more, coaches will often define your role incredibly narrowly, pushing you to work only on the aspects of the game they need right then; not what makes you a better player.

    When I compare guys like say, Richy Ledezma's development path and Diego Luna, there's little doubt in my mind that Luna is more creative player now because he was able to be a primary creator and offensive focal point at each stop. Whereas Ledezma somewhat overshot his skill level and got moved.

    Or compare Joe Scally and Alex Freeman. Scally, as a youth player, was a much strong offensive player than defender. That's all gone now, and I think no small part of it was going to a team that basically needed him to focus on defense to survive. Whereas Freeman was given a team that basically gave him free reign on offense once he got there to wreak havoc.

    Competition is important, but racing to the highest level competition isn't necessarily the best path. You can't learn the skills you need to be an important player for your team if you aren't one of the best players on your team at some point.
     
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  12. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    For all the criticism LD gets for staying home - from a National team POV it was pretty ideal - less grueling than playing all the domestic, cup and international games in Europe and he got to play in a position best for his National team which likely wouldn't have happend at a top team in Europe. OTOH - it worked out fine for Dempsey. Don't think there is a set formula for success.
     
  13. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I think it also depends a lot on the player's personality and temperament. Some guys can thrive on the bench playing for a club that is a little above their current level and some guys would crater in that scenario. Each player needs to determine that for themselves.
    Then throw in family, culture, etc and it's not quite as cut and dry. If you can't speak the language and the culture is completely different a player might flounder no matter how good the coaching and team situation are.
    Then throw in where you wife or girlfriend wants to live. :whistling:
     
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  14. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    yep. In teaching this is called scaffolding. You give someone a chance to solidify their skill set and learn new skills that are a little beyond their current reach. As they progress, you progress the challenging. The key to learning is a) practicing/solidifying a skill b) seeing what works and what doesn't work as the task is made more difficult. If you raise the bar too much, the learner will almost never have success, they won't learn how to do it right, and they'll lose the skill they started with. And, with regard to physical stuff, they might once in a while have success doing something the wrong way, or something no one can do consistently, and that reinforces bad habits. I'm a huge opponent of throwing someone in way over their head and thinking "they'll have to learn."
     
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  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on the friendlies I’d start him.
     
  16. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Cross-posting this contribution from @Winoman in the "US Paraguay, the attack" thread:

     
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  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pepi has at least one World Cup goal contribution as a sub I can feel it
     
  18. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Pepi will get one if we make a run. Not sure why he took so much grief on the game thread. But he looks good to me.
     
  19. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    Balogun was just on another level. Pepi looked pedestrian by comparison. But I think he’s got a better game in him before this tournament is over.
     
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  20. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure and everyone was totally on in this one and I hope it continues but players have off games too. Just having someone as good as Pepi on the bench in case of injury and for subbing is amazing. We've never had three center forwards this good at the same time before this.
     
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  21. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    The presence of Balogun and Tillman and Wes in the center of the pitch was a PROBLEM for the opponent. I am still shaking my head at the combined effect of those three. When Tillman went out wide things changed.

    Controlling the center is fun.
     
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  22. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    What game were you watching?
     
  23. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    If you wanted to be generous you could say Pepi worked hard and sacrificed himself for the team against Australia. But he showed absolutely ZERO offensive spark. For 20-minute stretches at a time I completely forgot he was even on the field at all.

    Could he get a start in the center forward spot against Turkey if Balogun is rested? Or would Poch look at totally different option? I guess it will also depend on the result of Paraguay v Turkey later.
     
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