Ricardo Pepi at PSV Eindhoven

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  1. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

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    Maybe he just doesn’t rate Pepi.
     
  2. ebbro

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    Jun 10, 2005
    And you've written it over and over and over. Even when responding to posts that were mild in their take - ones that simply suggest maybe Bosz could've found a few more minutes here or there. But you think everyone is being obtuse, so you explain over and over and over and...
     
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  3. Bosz talks more about 'difficult situation': 'He always says: I get it'
    18 March at 07:26 32
    PSV coach Peter Bosz has only compliments for the attitude of Ricardo Pepi. The American was against FC Twente (1-0) the matchwinner in injury time and needed only 351 minutes of the Eredivisie to score seven times. Despite this, he starts every game on the bench. At the press conference, Bosz says that he regularly has a conversation with his players. With Pepi, 'playtime' is often the topic. "Then he also says every time: I get it. I have the captain in front of me who is having an amazing season himself," said the coach. "That's hard for him
    ."

    To tackle the impression they don't talk about it.
     
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  4. dspence2311

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    Oct 14, 2007
    This argument has gotten bunkered. Reasonable people can disagree, especially when it comes to alternative courses of action. There is nothing stupid or illogical about any of the following propositions.

    1. Bose has defensible reasons for preferring LdJ over Pepi, and his distribution of minutes between the two is one logical course of action for maximizing team performance (which after all, is his job).

    2. As a young player on the rise, Pepi needs to play more than he did this year in order to maximize his career development and progress. That is his job. And so he and his agent (and fans who care more about Pepi than PSV) see value in a move.

    3. It MAY/MAY NOT be that PSV’s long term best interests were served by giving Pepi more minutes this past year, particularly during blowouts. No one can prove or disprove the truth of eiher proposition, and anyone who thinks they can is being presumptuous — because we don’t know when LdJ will decline or get injured in the future, or the relative difficulty of managing discontent by either player when they expect more minutes than they were given.
     
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  5. Pegasus

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    Thing is feyenoordsoccerfan says LDJ was not only the leading scorer but the leader on the field and the one who how he played made everything work. I agree with him but how is Pepi going to learn that if he only does it in practice? And even then who knows if he gets a chance to do it with the other starters. So if LDJ did get injured Pepi goes in with few minutes and not many opportunities to apply what he's observed LDJ doing. There should have been times when the opportunity presented itself to send Pepi in with explicit instructions and then after the game go over what he did right and wrong. I even remember times when there were three games in a short time and LDJ played almost all of the minutes and looked tired. perfect opportunity for Pepi to get some real minutes. BTW during that time didn't LDJ go through a bit of a cool spell? Couldn't have been because he was exhausted could it?
     
  6. superdave

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    Wouldn’t matter if he did.
     
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  7. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    But this logic can be extended to any 90/min a game starter. And many of them rarely sit, esp captains. And if they were in the running for the leagues golden boot they'd likely sit less. Again, it sucked for Pepi that LdJ had a career season. Just bad luck, but that's footie.

    Anyway, this is all circular. Would it have been good for Pepi for Bosz to play him more? Of course.
    Is there an obvious reason Bosz did not take LdJ off for Pepi more often (and, in fact, started using Pepi at wing instead?) Of course.
     
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  8. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    I have only ever responded to posts responding to mine (save one or two.) I'm not having this conversation in a corner alone with myself. If folks want to end the conversation, just stop replying. But there is, among a couple of posters, an aggressive unwillingness to see what actually went on at PSV this season - which was an outlier, unlucky-for-Pepi season. Bosz prioritized LdJ's stats over Pepi's appearances at CF (and in general). It sucks for Pepi, but it's not some mystery and it had 0 bad effect save on Pepi's minutes.
     
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  9. jond

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    The more asinine proposition being presented here is that we don't understand why Pepi didn't play more.

    Of course we do. That is what makes so much of one side of this conversation, irrational. We all know what PSV was playing for. We all know De Jong's standing in the scoring title race. We all know De Jong's place and importance within the team.

    It takes an incredible level of intentional obtuseness to pretend that somehow negates the suggestion Pepi could have played more.

    The main argument here doesn't even make sense. This thread is being trolled at this point.
     
  10. dspence2311

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    Oct 14, 2007
    I think you mean “obtusity”
     
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  11. Jazzy Altidore

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    if the coach did, Pepi would have played more.

    Pepi has had problems getting himself into teams since he left MLS. Frozen out of Ausburg, PSV, and the World Cup.
     
  12. superdave

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    Him not rating Pepi wouldn’t change the underlying reality of playing LdJ so many unimportant minutes. It wouldn’t change the the coach made a bet against the odds but still won.
     
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  13. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    Lol. Like, not quoting me doesn't mean you're not responding... oy.

    But there are literal, actual posts questioning the scoring race idea. Like a poster literally wrote "No team worth a shit prioritizes winning individual player awards throughout the season." which is objectively false (unless you consider a team winning a double in the Ered not "worth a shit" - which, given it's PSV I could go for, now that I think about it.)

    A poster also argued this: "I am fairly confident that PSV didn’t tell him he would ride the bench behind de Jong." which is also just silly. PSV play a 4-3-3. If PSV did not tell Pepi he was going to be an understudy to LdJ Pepi's own folks would have said so when they complained. Everyone with half a brain knew this was the situation.

    Again, LdJ and PSV had a career (or at least in PSV's case "recent career") season. Sucks for Pepi, no doubt, but ignoring that Bosz actually moved him to wing just to get him more minutes - obviously trying to both placate Pepi and let LdJ get his Wily - is dumb.

    And Pepi is an experienced 4-3-3 CF. He played there loads last season and decent amount this season. I don't expect his PSV year hurt him in the least. Bosz seems to like him - minus a bit of attitude complaints - and if next season LdJ does not come out of the gate banging goals at the rate he did this year, I have no doubt Pepi will get plenty of minutes, if he stays.
     
  14. Jazzy Altidore

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    i suggest you read @dspence2311 post above who nailed it.
     
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  15. The Irish Rover

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    Incoming expansion side San Diego FC have announced Hirving "Chucky" Lozano as their first DP signing. He will stay at PSV until the winter break and then join San Diego for the MLS pre season.
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal.../san-diego-fc-transfer-news-mls-chucky-lozano

    Although clearly a winger, PSV have played Lozano at CF and SS. Maybe this opens slightly more PT chances for Pepi? Or does it just confirm Richie's standing as "the other striker"?
     
  16. mace

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    How about dropping all the obtuse arguments and lets become more acutely aware of the opposing sides. This thread has divided the opposing arguments by the adjacent ones and is now off on a tangent, 180° from where it should be. Feels like Geo’s thread in here.
     
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  17. Jazzy Altidore

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    i really like it
     
  18. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    The sad reality, visavis Pepi discussion and PSV is that Pepi signed a 5 year deal last year. While his reps (and likely he in personal conversations) put out a few complaining notices near the end of the year, there was nothing in the realm of what players who are really looking to leave put out.

    All Pepi news for the next few months is likely to be USMNT and therefor discouraged, unless some silly-season rumors pop up - which I have not seen in Dutch or US press so far. I suppose a loan is possible, but even that is unlikely. PSV will be back in Europe, and while most of his CL minutes were minimal this year, he did get 90 v Arse and a huge goal v. Sevilla for ~180 mins total. I think there is non-existent chance he gets transfered and minimal chance he gets loaned.

    It's too bad Koeman didn't pick LdJ for the Euros this summer - there was a push by LdJ's people (or so it seemed) at the end of the season. Having LdJ busy this summer would have been good for Pepi in August, but unfortunately it is going to be the other way around.
     
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  19. An Unpaved Road

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    A loan back to Dallas if they sell Ferreira should stop the arguments and unite the fans. :thumbsup:
     
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  20. superdave

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    cosined
     
  21. russ

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    This squares with my thoughts.
     
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  22. interview with Pepi:
    https://www.voetbalprimeur.nl/nieuw...sv-te-komen-ben-echt-gegroeid-als-speler.html
    'It was a great move to come to PSV, I've really grown as a player'
    Today at 10:10

    Ricardo Pepi has no regrets about his transfer to PSV. The American had to make do with substitutes last season, as captain Luuk de Jong was preferred in the striker position.
    Despite his role as a super sub, Pepi is satisfied with his first season at PSV. "It was a great move by me to come to PSV," the forward told ESPN. He says he learned a lot in Eindhoven. "As a player, I've really grown. I am very excited and happy."
     
  23. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

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    In other words, he's quite happy with how things developed and all the Nervous Nellies on here needed to take a massive chill pill.

    Alternatively, he wasn't at all happy at times but has received assurances about the future and is looking towards it.

    It's also possible that he had real frustrations but has become philosophical about them.

    Occam's Razor says it's a combination of all 3.
     
  24. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    He's a confident, ambitious guy in his early 20s. I'm sure his moods swing a bit depending on the weather, location and questioner. He had to be frustrated - who wouldn't be after his Groningen season. But he also had to pretty pleased too - who wouldn't be after not having to spend a season in Groningen! lol (and getting some cool stuff for his mantel, and playing Arse and Sevilla and some other nice perks.) I think it would have been surprising if he didn't gripe a bit at the end of the season, once it was clear PSV was going to bag the Ered champions, but the level of complaint was always too low to indicate a really unsettled player.
     
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  25. The Irish Rover

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    #3800 The Irish Rover, Jun 12, 2024
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    And, as always, the old adage "show me a player for whom the bench is good enough and I'll show you a player who isn't good enough to sit on it" applies.

    If a player is frustrated, it means he'll keep working. It's only when he's had so much that he starts to become disruptive that you sell him and that was never the case with Pepi or even close.
     
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