Ricardo Clark too good not be on the team

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by United20, Apr 25, 2004.

  1. United20

    United20 Member

    Feb 26, 2001
    New York City
    This kid has the complete game and the US is still trying to find defensive help. Look, Clark has an offensive mind and a killer defensive game. I know he plays central/defensive mid, but he could succeed at rightback and be a valuable back-up at dmid behind Reyna. Clark is by far a better player than Mastro at DMid or Hejduk at RB.

    MLS performance might not translate into international success, but Clark has had a impressive start in the 2004 MLS season.
     
  2. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    nah, his distribution needs a LOOOOT of work - i wasn't pleased when bradley moved him to the wing last season - is he back in the middle for the metros?
     
  3. regulator

    regulator Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i agree; clark is a much more skillful player than either hejduk or mastroeni, and is a good defender, but is definitely not better than hejudk or mastroeni in this respect. however, clark does deserve a spot on the team, and should probably receive one pending another good season this year with the metrostars.
     
  4. ayers

    ayers Member

    Jul 9, 2002
    somewhere
    Isn't he coming back from injury? No need to rush him onto the national team right now, especially against Mexico.
     
  5. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everybody and their mom has more skills than Hejduk. But the guy can go 110% all night long and then some.

    As for Pablo, point out the next time he loses a tackle or 50-50 to anybody, and you might have a case. He doesn't go forward, but he doesn't get beat.
     
  6. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    [​IMG]

    More than this guy's?
     
  7. United20

    United20 Member

    Feb 26, 2001
    New York City
    He is back and his game is sharp even after the injury in the winter. As for his distribution - Clark is as good as Mastro or Armas.
     
  8. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, amazing praise! :rolleyes:

    Clark has some skill, and great athleticism, but Id really like to see more polished players in central midfield positions personally. That doesnt mean that I think he wont eventually be one of those guys, but his game seems to fit the pattern of a destroyer, something I dont want to keep seeing on the field for the US.
     
  9. UxSxAxfooty

    UxSxAxfooty Member+

    Jan 23, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ricardo Clark reminds me of Patrick Vieira.

    I hope he sees some time in friendlies this year and qualifiers maybe next year.

    He certainly has the potential to be better than our current crop of defensive midfielders, excluding maybe Reyna and O'Brien.

    However, right now, Mulrooney, Mastroeni and Armas and Zavagnin are all higher on the depth chart,
     
  10. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Viera? Thats high praise for a kid who was barely average during the U20 Championships.
     
  11. TAKK

    TAKK New Member

    Jan 28, 2004
    Westchester, NY
    Clark has no chance.

    Armas is Bruce's GOD!
     
  12. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    During U20 games, Clark was playing hurt so he wasn't 100% percent. Also Convey played like a forward that left a big hole in the midfield to let opponent overun Clark. That was also the reason why Rongen took out Magee and add Grabavoy in the center to enforce the midfield.
     
  13. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    I forgot that Clark was injured. Thanks for pointing that out. But I still think he's too young for such an important position on the field where mental abilities are sometimes more important than physical. He definatly has the physical abilities, but I'm not so sure he's ready mentally
     
  14. Sevin

    Sevin Member

    May 24, 2001
    U.S.
    It seems that the TV commentators during the U20's were more impressed with him than any other US player. Could it be that since his game isn't a traditional "Euro" game that some people just don't get it? I don't mean that as any kind of attack on anyone's knowledge of the game, just that he plays different than most of the players we produce. During yesterdays Metro's game much of the play seemed to go through him and he did a really good job of helping the team keep possesion. That and his positioning are what set him apart.
     
  15. Richie

    Richie Red Card

    May 6, 1999
    Brooklyn, NY, United
    He started in his first game this last game of the new season. This season the impressive player has been mark lisi for the metrostars.

    Clark faded at the end of last season in the MLS, and he was not that good when playing with the younger national team either.

    The fact is in the modern game the defensive mid and the offensive mids have to be interchangeable. Clark is not there yet on the attack in the flow of play when we have the ball. If Lisi can ever get himself to be what it takes defensively. He would be the perfect defensive mid because when he has the ball he is an exceptional passer of the ball.
     
  16. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, I think that is the point of this thread! United20 stated, "This kid has the complete game..." That might be a bit of an overstatement, but I'd agree with those who are saying he distributes better than Armas or Mastroeni. Don't know about winning tackles, but I'd bet he is close. More important and more to the point of your objection, I think his footskills are much better than either Armas or Mastroeni. By "polished players" do you mean Reyna? He is the only truly "polished player" on the Nats, including JOB (which says nothing at all about relative contribution to the team). And, perhaps most important, Clark is definitely not a "destroyer." He is hard hitting, tenacious, and all that, but his ball winning skill is overwhelmingly obvious, and lets him succeed without destroying.
     
  17. sregis

    sregis Member

    Nov 5, 1999
    Hoboken, USA
    i thought clark was fantastic in his first start of the season. i see him much more of an offensive player- very good, accurate, distributor, likes to move forward and switch fields, and will not hesitate to take shots from the outside- entirely different from armas or mastro- which is why i think he's not on arena's immediate radar. he's still got some rough edges, but it's inexcusable not to get him and lisi into the nats mix.
     
  18. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Not agree. Clark has the mental ability to play in the center. His only weakness right now is the decision making on the distribution. When people say his distribution is not good, it is not about his ability to deliver the long ball or short ball. The problem is what decision he makes. Switch the field, or send a long ball to corner, or send a through ball, or make a controlling back/side pass? Those are come with experience and shouldn't be overcoached that can kill a guy's confidence. Remember it took Mastronei some of times to improve his decision making under Bruce.
     
  19. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe the "All Hair" team. His doo reminds me of Eddie Murphy as "Buckwheat."

    Getting by that, there's many between him and a call and one nice drive isn't going to be enough to make the phone ring
     
  20. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    What the hell does that mean? "One nice drive"? Clark was one of the best rookies in the league last year, in MLS's best rookie class ever. He led the Metrostars in minutes. The guy, easily, has more potential than any other defensive midfielder in MLS, and isn't much worse (if at all) than Bruce's new favorite Kerry Zavagnin. Ricardo Clark has been pretty tremendous as a defensive midfielder for over a year now - I really don't know what you're talking about.
     
  21. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean Beckerman. I love the way he plays the game. And I know hes not a pure destroyer in the Armas mold, but I frankly I dont see the overwhelming need to have one. What I do see the need for our national teams is players that can start an attack with a well thought ball, and I just dont see that from Clark.
     
  22. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're mistaking him for Damani Relph.
     
  23. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i thought, by his standards anyway, he had a lousy game on sunday. he hasn't rounded into form yet since his injury.

    one day, however, i agree with the initial poster: he'll probably be on the team.
     
  24. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    folks come on! he's not ready - just let him progress organically and before you know it he'll be a mainstay for a decade

    one CANNOT microwave your central midfielders at the international level
     
  25. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Sticking Armas in the microwave for 20 minutes or so on high would be one way to get Armas out of the starting lineup.

    I'm guessing "microwaving" is a term with which I should be familiar, but alas, I am not.
     

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