Rhapsody in Blue: Christian Pulisic at Chelsea

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Balerion, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. shockbldxz

    shockbldxz Member

    Jul 15, 2014
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, OK, I'll tone it down with the predictions. But I do think he's the best American youth prospect.
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Don't get me wrong, he seems like one of the best US youth prospects, but is he even the best player of his birth year? From what I've seen, Haji Wright looks just as good or possibly even better.
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  3. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thought it was an own goal, forced by Pulisic?
  4. Shawn Rank

    Shawn Rank Member

    Jul 8, 2013
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he meant that he converted his penalty, but I may be wrong.
  5. Werdman89

    Werdman89 Member+

    May 27, 2008
    Boston, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too early to tell. Josh Perez at one point was thought of as the best prospect from the '98s. I'm just happy that we have a few seemingly special talents coming through the youth yanks. It'll be fun following all these players as their careers go forward.
  6. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    There are many good prospects on this team, many don't score goals so the hype doesn't follow them.
    I have my eye on one player who when all is said and done I think is the best prospect. He just doesn't score.
  7. stonejh127

    stonejh127 Member+

    Sep 9, 2011
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who dat? Personally I like the US right back, Olosunde.
  8. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I'm guessing Barbir. He looks to have a really high ceiling, but also looks to have a high chance of not realizing it (based on subjective but concrete reasoning and observation).

    I like Olosunde, too. Actually, there are some pretty good footballers in this group...but we say that every cycle. :D
  9. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Nope, but he is my second under the radar non scoring '98, very nice player.
  10. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    I don't want to jinx it. Not Barbir, who I do like. The kid has quick feet, very good first touch, reads the game better than a lot of his teammates, and doesn't score goals.
  11. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    De La Torre?

    I think its hard to compare attackers to non-attackers. From the little that I've seen, Silva looked like one of the best GK prospects that I've seen in recent USYNT's. How does he compare to Wright or Pulisic? I think thats hard to tell.
  12. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
  13. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I forgot where - I think here on the YA - but there was a 2008 U-20 roster for some random game posted and the best players from that era became MLS lifers. No long term USMNT stars, not long term Euro based pros.

    From the 2009 U-20 World Cup

    GK's - Sean Johnson, Brian Perk, Josh Lambo.

    DF - Gale Ag-de, Dillon Powers, Sheanon Williams, Kyle Davies, Aaron Maund, Ike Opara

    MF - Danny Cruz, Jared Jeffrey, Dilly Duka, Mix Diskerud, Gerson Mayen, Brian Ownby, Bryan Arquez, Jorge Flores, Michael Stephens

    FW - Tony Taylor, Peri Marosevic, Brek Shea

    Not a single 2010 and one 2014 WC member (with no PT earned) among them. No one with much PT (Shea had a taste) in a top 5/6/7 league either. Powers is probably the only player with an upside because he's built like a tank and has a little game too for position.

    England's was just as bad. Ghana had Jonathan Mensah, Andre Ayew. Uruguay had Gaston Ramirez, Abel Hernandez, Nico Lodeiro, Sebastian Coates. Brazil had Ganso, Alex Teixeira and Douglas Costa. Costa Rica - Marco Uren'a, Bryan Oviedo, Christian Gamboa. Italy basically nada. Spain had Cesar Azpilicueta, Ander Herrera, Jordi Alba. Germany had Ron-Robert Zieler, the Benders - Lars and Sven, Lewis Holtby, Sebastian Mielitz

    It's really a crapshoot even at this age.

    And U-17's are even worse.
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  14. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Philadelphia Union
    I see this alot but these players werent considered the top 10 in there age group. They weren't signed to big clubs.
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  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    FC Dallas
    From Greg Seltzer:

    American Under-17 player and PA Classics star forward Christian Pulisic is nearing completion of a five-year deal with Borussia Dortmund.


    As re-interated by Greg........

    "With a long-term contract in play (five years) and a European passport in his already-ragged travel bag once the paperwork is finalized — his grandfather, Mate Pulisic, is a Croatian native who eventually emigrated to the United States so Christian is attempting to obtain a Croatian passport ..."
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  16. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    No, we really don't. I mean, a few people do. But over the past few cycles, not as much as before that. This looks like the best class of 17s in a long while.
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  17. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    OTOH, the LD-DMB-Onyewu-Convey-Davis-Beckerman-Dempsey class formed the backbone of the senior team for the past decade. I'm not sure it's a crapshoot. It's just hard to observe.
  18. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    From what I remember, the 2009 U17s had a really strong buzz around them and may have been deeper in prospects than the current group is. And before that, the 2003, 2001, and 1999 groups all generated considerable excitement. (Adu was on the 2003 team, Donovan on the 1999.)

    But in between times, we've also had some groups that didn't offer much. There was empty talk, but the play on the field spoke for itself. We don't have Pulisic type talents very often.
  19. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I acknowledge your point here, though Dempsey & Davis weren't part of that US U-17 squad, Clint in particular famous for being an unfancied outsider who had to grind it out and break through the hard way.

    I think the high bar that squad set is what every US U-17 team is trying to equal and this is the 1st I can remember since then that could realistically get to that level, although gold & silver ball winner at the WC is probably never happening again.

    I did like that EJ/Quaranta team a lot, too, going in. Maybe they can bring Quaranta in for a Scared Straight style school assembly with the U-17s. Kids: don't be this guy. Still only 29! Unbelievable. Baltimore Bohemians should give him a call.
  20. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Here's the entire Dortmund II squad from the 2009-10 season. That's a "big club", right?


    How many out of 31 total players (disregarding the senior players on rehab - Feulner, Hajnal, Kehl and Rangelov) have made it big in five years that followed?

    Mind you, this isn't a U-18/U-19 team but the U-23 Dortmund II, aka the reserve.
  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    Feb 13, 2010
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You seem to be a real expert these guys...
    How many times have you seen Pulisic play?
    How many times have you seen Green play?
    How many times have you seen Zelalem play?
  22. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Pretty excited about this lad after watching a couple of games from him. I think he is exactly the type of talent that Dortmund needs. He's got most of the tools necessary to reach the pro level. Excellent speed, great decision making but what I was most impressed with was his level of technique when in posession and his intelligence on the field. What he will have to adjust to is the tempo in Germany which is higher than what I've seen from his u17 NT games, the higher physicality of the game and the tactical approach. I'm quite sure he will quickly deal with the higher tempo, because he seems to be one of those natural gifted players who know what to do in the right moment. To me, he looks more talented than for example Flores.
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  23. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Browsing through old youth rosters is always a fun game for me. Lots and lots of 3. Liga and Regionalliga players here, with a few scattered 2BL / low-level 1BL journeymen. I'm actually impressed how few guys are out of the game entirely, even if most are in a semipro level or barely hanging on in the pros.

    One guy did just move to Galatasaray for €2.5m after four years for smaller clubs in the Turkish Süper Lig. That's about as big as it gets.
  24. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is all about numbers. We want five to ten Pulisics and Wrights and Hyndmans at this age and point developing because of statistics, progress, injuries and club situations. We also want a boat load coming out of the MLS academies like Yedlin, and Najar (yes Honduras but the point is about the path to quality development) to add to the talent pool.
  25. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    #75 sidefootsitter, Aug 10, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2014
    There are three "very successful" players on that Dortmund U-23 roster in total, if one counts Sven Bender and Marcel Schmelzer and one 'fairly successive" (at this point) in Daniel Ginczek (18 goals for St. Pauli in League 2, was playing well for Nürnberg last season until suffering an injury, now off to Stuttgart).

    That's three "major leaguers" out of 31 U-23 prospects (Sven B. was 20, Schmelzer was 21 and Ginczek 18) during that season.


    Bender was an 1860 product, having already played 65 BL II matches for them (25 in 2008-09, 3.8 Kicker grade at 19) before moving to Dortmund. In 09-10, he was actually more of a senior Dortmund squad member (19 matches only but with a 3.0 average). Schmelzer, being a year older, played a whopping 28 matches in the Bundesliga (3.4 average) at 21, meaning that both players were eligible for the reserves team but were already playing "age higher".

    So, of the real rank&file Dortmund II members, there's basically only Ginczek who's a legitimate "major leaguer" and even he is coming off a major injury.

    Now, Bayern II in BL III then had some familiar names in David Alaba at 17, Diego Contento at 19 and Mehmet Ekici at 19 (and Saer Sene at 23, who was actually very good there with 11 goals and a 3.22 grade)


    That's right. Because out of a dozen of guys like Pulisic and Wright, you might get 2-3 legitimate top league performers.

    BTW, Najar wasn't very/any good with Honduras at the WC but, at least, he is beginning to get regular PT with Anderlecht these days.

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