Rhapsody in Blue: Christian Pulisic at Chelsea

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  1. Noriega7

    Noriega7 Member

    Newcastle United
    Dec 27, 2017
    Agreed here...CHO is clearly in better form right now than CP but CHO hasn't been as influential as CP was last year.

    What that tells us is when CP is in form, he's much more impressive and can do much more than CHO's best form...albeit CHO is younger and he may still have another gear to him.
     
  2. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This doesn't seem relevant to anything I've said... are you responding to someone else?

    The specific context here, which gets lost in an odd goalpost-shift analogy, is measuring the effectiveness of an attacker through actual production. Hence me addressing specific points like "what did CHO do..."?

    The answer is, he outperformed CP by the per90 metrics. Which, if you're measuring an attacker's production, is the best way to do it... talking about those numbers in-context with regard to how much they were able to play.
     
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  3. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    you assume I believe goals and assists are a good way to measure the value of all attacking players. I don’t
     
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  4. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    United States
    I'm not just talking about those, I'm talking about multiple metrics, which, though it's your prerogative what you care about, to not care about this data puts you at odds with the richest and most successful clubs in the modern era. But whether you care about that too is up to you.

    Either way, in that post you quoted I was actually referring to someone else specifically, who was talking about goals and assists. So I have to assume they care, since they went there.
     
  5. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    I had to look it up but that seems like the one. "Responsible for extending the knee" really hits the nail on the head to explain why loaded cycle touring (and 8000 miles/year of general transport cycling) would have caused me to develop that. Cool to know!
     
  6. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
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    Glad the beard is back, the clean shaven mojo was clearly not working. We need Bizarro Pulisic now.
     
  7. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    May we call you the BS Quadzilla?
     
  8. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    More like Dadzilla these days.
     
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  9. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Curious, what is your measurement period for this? Their entire career to date? Their Chelsea career, last season, this season?
     
  10. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    If he's at all like me, it's an arbitrary timeframe that overstates his case.
     
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  11. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Hard to imagine a Pulisic start today, but a substitute appearance seems likely, especially with the extra CL allowance of 5 subs.

    From Chelsea fans ...

    3-4-3 (73%)

    Mendy (93%) | Rüdiger (85%), Christensen (66%), Azpilicueta (80%) | Chilwell (57%), Kanté (74%), Kovačić (82%), James (60%) | Hudson-Odoi (63%), Werner (83%), Mount (91%)

    Hakim Ziyech (15%) was way off the pace on Saturday and the community reacted accordingly by favouring Mason Mount and Hudson-Odoi ahead of him. Christian Pulisic (38%) and Kai Havertz (25%) are just coming back from injury, and so the voters saw no need to rush them back. Timo Werner leads the line ahead of Tammy Abraham (14%) and Olivier Giroud (38%)."

    The author's somewhat different opinion ...

    3-4-3

    Mendy | Rüdiger, Christensen, Azpilicueta | Alonso, Jorginho, Kovačić, James | Hudson-Odoi, Giroud, Mount

    https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation...-vs-chelsea-champions-league-preferred-lineup
     
  12. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    also one that fails to consider slightly better than horrible is still not good
     
  13. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Did someone say Ronnie Spector and Darlene Love?

    Damn I love this song.
     
  14. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    Just thinking about Darlene love makes me want to cry. Best Christmas song of all time and it’s not even close
     
  15. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    Dad quads?
     
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  16. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    FYP.
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    I think his point is that he hates Pulisic and always has. He made an enormous emotional investment in the "Pulisic can't play for Liverpool" argument and isn't about to give that up.

    IMO, you're a bit overdazzled by Pulisic's dribbling. When he's performing at just his normal level, he's as dangerous in the open field 1v1 as almost anyone in the world. His passing on the break is quality too. But there's more to "talent" than that.

    His passing vision against a set defense and his finishing needs alot of work.
     
  18. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    A different era prior to twerking.
     
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  19. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    if the coach isn't into you, for whatever reason, good or bad, that's why people leave. The Barca coach wasn't into Zlatan so he moved.
     
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  20. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would be shocked if he started but a sub appearance might happen. It will likely be too late. I am seriously worried that Athletico is going to embarrass us today. Very nervous.
     
  21. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Us? :p

    I'll happily suffer a bit of embarrassment if that's what it takes to get Pulisic back on the field
     
  22. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    #43197 appoo, Feb 23, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2021
    Perhaps I am, though I wouldn't call it dribbling, as much as I would call it slipperiness in ease of getting past defenders. His ability to control the ball in tiny spaces, and agility, quickness and short area explosiveness to slip through cracks whilst doing so, is....remarkable and among they very best in the world. You combine that his off the ball movement, above average vision, and very good passing touch and that;s why I call him a world class talent as an attacking midfielder.

    You are right that this finishing is nothing special relative to the Champion's League QF+ level, which is what we measure him against.
     
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  23. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
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    United States
    What some of these folks need to do, 'ey?

     
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  24. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look at my sig... Chelsea is my favorite club team... although they can be difficult to like. But my allegiance to the USMNT is so much higher... not even close.
     
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  25. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    so a bit of 3rd hand insider info, so TIFWIW.....someone SE PA, and hooked into the soccer scene there, and has some ins with the Pulisic clan/youth coaches...here's what he had to say (paraphrasing)

    No "family issue", but rather Tuchel/Pulisic butting heads over his role, and CFC gave him a bit of a time out.

    Tuchel views Puli as purely a super sub at this level, though open to Puli proving otherwise. Pulisic's clan doesn't think he fits the role in Tuchel's 352 that Tuchel is making him play

    He'll likely try to leave if they continue to have that difference of opinion.

    The club has gotten worried about his injuries, and Tuchel is making it worse by low balling his value, so not much positive going on there.

    Finally, Puli/Tuchel get along personally. No animosity there. This is strictly a difference of opinion in role in the club, which all parties respect, even if they disagree.

    If Tuchel is the long term coach there, then it might be best for all parties to move on.

    Finally, I trust the source.
     

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