Christian Pulisic at AC Milan

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  1. autogolazzo

    autogolazzo Member+

    Mar 4, 2007
    No. I would rather that he got injured a few seconds later than he did, after scoring his second and the winning goal for Chelsea in the FA Cup.
     
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  2. autogolazzo

    autogolazzo Member+

    Mar 4, 2007
    "Girlfriend in a coma, I know, I know it's really cereal"
     
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  3. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    To me the Havertz signing would mean they would have to play 4-2-3-1 most of the season. And they lack the midfield and the defense to play 4-2-3-1 now. It would be another season where they concede a ton of goals.
     
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  4. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    This is looking like it is going to be Frank's MO. Derby shipped the same amount of goals. If they sign Havertz or if they don't, they still have more business to do. They cannot be successful (trophy type success) playing like Frank wants to play unless they get some speed and a bit more quality in the defense.

    The thinking might be the added quality in attack might mean he doesn't need as many bodies committed so far forward. You cannot play a high line when you have almost no speed in the back.

    I do not think they are particularly limited in funds, so they can buy Havertz and still get a GK, a DM, and a couple of fullbacks.
     
  5. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Is there a firmer tenet in team sports than the importance of central defense? It’s a truism —some version of it — in almost every team sport. Can’t believe Frank doesn’t see that.
     
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  6. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    "The best defense is a good offense." - Jack Dempsey
     
  7. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    'the best best defense is a good offense and vvd'
     
  8. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    I don't think Havertz or not-Havertz is why they'll concede goals. They need to sign upgrades at keeper and at least 1 if not 2 spots on the back line. One or two potential stud center backs and a new left back would bring a whole no feel to this team. Havertz has a chance to be damn good and he's very versatile - I don't see the problem that sigining him presents other than that's money you can't use to improve your area of greatest weakness.
     
  9. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bingo. Seems to me that the team's easiest-to-fix problem is leaking goals. Look at their total goals allowed vs. the rest of the Top 6. One of those is not like the others.
     
  10. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    It looks like we agree. I think others' posts were premised on the fact that none of the transfer buzz addresses these needs. Even the transfer buzz about backs is about offensive oriented backs. It is nice that Zouma looked better down the stretch. And perhaps Tomori will be reliable.

    I don't know what the Kante situation is for next year. I trust Kova, but I don't see the value of Jorgi. I must be missing something. Possession the ball by way of always passing back is not the same thing as defense, or gaining possession in the first place.
     
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  11. madvillain

    madvillain Member+

    Aug 28, 2011
    Club:
    Brooklyn Knights
    They need at least one CB (Zouma is OK but Rudinger and Tomori are not) and at least one FB as well, probably two as Azpi is getting up there in age. They obviously need a new keeper and they also need to replace Jorginho with someone that can turn in the midfield instead of just square passing. They aren't a club that can afford to just have him sit at the top of the box making little passes as they dominate 70% possession.

    Not sure why they are "all in" on Havertz frankly. The money on him could be much better spent bolstering the defense and defensive midfield.
     
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  12. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    They have stated that they do not like the value for the defensive options.

    It's not the most insane idea in the world. How often do we see clubs go on mini splurges and end up just as bad or worse?

    Chelsea is clearly assembling a front attack that has the potential to be dominant for years. Pulisic obviously has some durability issues, which is why the flexibility of all the guys they have bought becomes important. When it comes to squad selection, generally speaking it's more important to have a set back line than it is to have a set front line. Having options up front is generally more important than having options in the back IMO.

    They definitely need to spend on their back line, but I see their logic. Havertz is really, really good. As is every other player they have brought in so far.
     
  13. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    I can't remember where I read it now (probably ESPN or 538.com), but I saw kind of a cynical stats-based argument for Chelsea not upgrading on Kepa. Basically, his save percentage or negative variation from expected goals (I forget which stat exactly) this year was so bad that you had to go back to a GK on some middling La Liga team from 2015 to find an equally bad performance in the top 4 leagues. The argument was that it's reasonable to expect that he regresses to the mean and turns in a normal, below-average performance next season rather than the raging dumpster fire that was this season.
     
  14. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they don't fix the backline (CB and LB) and answer questions at CDM then it is going to be more of the same. The offense will score more... especially if they sign Havertz... but they will give up too many goals to really threaten for an EPL or CL trophy. I guess if they are looking at this as a longer-term build this makes some sense. Furthermore, this is the 1st season that the organization has given a chance to young home-grown players... perhaps they have a CB in mind? I am not really aware of one but I don't follow the youth team all that much.
     
  15. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Their analysis ignores real life things like he has no confidence and the team and manager have no confidence in him. Yes, he may be better next year, but there's no reason for Chelsea to run that experiment. Better to give anyone else a shot and wish Kepa well elsewhere.
     
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  16. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    If I was in Chelsea management, I would not want to see anymore. He was so horrible.
     
  17. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who is going to pay his wages? I agree he was very bad, I just wonder what realistic approaches exist here... because of that I'd almost guarantee he's there next season.
     
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  18. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    If he is that is a very rigid to adherence to sunk cost fallacy.

    Seems very foolish to me. He needs some coaching and probably some psychological help to get back to even being serviceable. That last cross through the six that he didn't even move for would have had me struggling to maintain my composure on my middle school keeper. He has to come for that ball and once it is secured he has to get his head up looking for the break. whatever he does standing there frozen is not a good look at any level not starting with a U and even then it is still badddddd.
     
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  19. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I doubt Lampard can go another season like this one without ordering a Code Red.
     
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  20. eliwood

    eliwood Member+

    Jul 25, 2016
    i think the best hope is a loan in which CFC covers a substantial percent of the wages and tacking on a option to buy
     
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  21. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I wonder if a rich Spanish club will be pressured to pony up to save national honor, and rehabilitate a possible national team goalkeeper?
     
  22. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well... that's possible, I just think this isn't a situation in which there are many options. So what do they do, sell him for 10M pounds? Could they even get that, in this market? Who's paying that for him, literally anyone? Even if they were, that's only the first hurdle... then he has to agree to cut his wages by more than half.

    No question this is the best possible situation, at least in terms of him not being around at Chelsea anymore... maybe that's what y-lee meant by saying he shouldn't be there next season.

    But my thing would be, even though this may be completely unsalvageable, the best chance to rescue it is probably to attempt rehabilitation if only to increase the amount you get back at a future date. They're never get what they paid, but because he is still young if you install him as 2nd backup, give him time to get confidence back, allow him to show his skill in moments... I think you can make a more credible argument in the future market that he's got value.

    In the case of a loan, if you're footing the same bill anyways, and need a new number 1 anyways... I think you might as well keep him around and work with him as the backup, maybe, since I'd be surprised if anyone else is signing up for this guy at this point, even with a real sweetheart loan situation.

    This is a Karius at LFC situation... except worse, since Karius was a fraction of the cost and also wasn't on anywhere near 150k a week.
     
  23. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes CFC has to pay him. I think he needs some time away, and let the side evolve some without him.he can get rehabbed somewhere in the interim. After (if?) he finds his form and regains some confidence he could return to Chelsea with a few new defenders (we all know they need them) and a "clean" slate so to speak. If not squeaky clean at least as a guy who had a bad stretch and now has the form that made him the most expensive GK evah ?

    I just don't like him having to find his way back while at CFC. when the whole defensive line turns and yells at the GK almost in unison it is clear you no longer have their respect. I don't see how he can really have any command over the area or learn to have that when he has already lost the trust and confidence of the defense in front of him.

    I guess they are all grown ups and pros and would be willing to forgive and move forward, but you can't mandate trust and confidence. I think if a defender does not have confidence in his keeper he might make errors trying to "take up the slack" that he would not have been made if he was confident in the keeper.

    I know if I push the attacker to the outside my keeper has the post covered. I don't have to make a block or be rash my GK has that post covered all day every day. OTOH a lack of confidence could even make me push him inside since I have help there, and I am pretty sure if he does get a shot on target it will be a goal because the keeper isn't stopping anything, near post, far post goal mouth, free kicks form thirty yards out, etc. .

    I am glad this is not going to be the usual long summer window, I am very anxious to see what CFC ends up doing at keeper and elsewhere in defense. The offense could be pretty potent with or without Havertz.

    I think Ngolo is a big ????
     
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  24. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    He does not make anywhere near Alexis. I am sure Marina can work out some loan deals.
     
  25. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alexis still represented value in the right situation, which it took some time to find but is reflected in his production this season. Maybe someone will feel the same way about Kepa, but I think it's going to take some more time.

    Inter also paid half of Sanchez's wages... is anyone going to do that with Kepa?
     

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