Revs News, 4/7

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  1. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    since a transfer fee comes out of krafts pocket, and doesn't effect their cap number, i could careless if they fail at all of them, so long as the other players they acquire are quality.
     
  2. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    I'm sorry to see him go. The few minutes he was on the field we saw a small Johnny Torres with exceptional moves. :p I hope that we eventually find out the coaches real thoughts about why he didn't meet their expectations.
     
  3. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I'm down with that.
     
  4. jwoo

    jwoo Member

    Jul 30, 2008
    West Newton, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
  5. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weren't people saying last year that we were using allocation money for the transfer fee? Which would mean we did actually give up/lose something by doing this.

    Anyway ... as I said, here's hoping we finally get an international that really makes a big difference on this team.
     
  6. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if that's true, then i change my opinion
     
  7. MM66

    MM66 Member+

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brookline, MA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Yep, that's the larger target.

    Plus, wasting money on a player may be bad, but it's far worse to keep a player around because you wasted money on him.
     
  8. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No doubt. I'm not trying to make it bigger than it is (believe it or not) but between the wasted draft picks, and these kinds of moves ... you really have to wonder what this team could have been like with a real scout.
     
  9. Hed7181

    Hed7181 Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    VA Beach, VA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
  10. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
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    United States
  11. Hed7181

    Hed7181 Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    VA Beach, VA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
  12. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Every team is going to have their hits and misses, with draftees, acquisitions, whatever. What really matters is the overall net.

    Back when it happened, getting Ralston is the Tampa dispersal seemed like a very nice pickup (like Adin Brown). But, many years later, that one is probably so much bigger than anyone expected.

    There's a big difference in opinion of the overall talent pool on this team, compared to the competition. I really like the overall blend of veteran players and skilled youngsters. If we ever get everyone healthy together, I think we'll really kick butt.
     
  13. Soccer Doc

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    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this is the key reality. Only roughly 1/3 of draftees and mature signings will become effective MLS players. Some teams have done better with the draft and some with mature signings but in the end of the day it's not an exact science and a team never really knows what they have until the player is in place for awhile. We've seen many #1 picks fail and some last rounders become very effective assets. We've seen SI's who were stars in other leagues and as Internationals not be able to adjust to MLS.
     
  14. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    fyp.
     
  15. Soccer Doc

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    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Originally Posted by soccer doc
    we've seen many #1 picks fail and some last rounders become very effective assets. We've seen si's who were stars in other leagues and as internationals not be able to adjust to the revs.

    fyp. (Snark added by Monty)

    Are you suggesting that statement only applies to the Revs? :rolleyes:
     
  16. patfan1

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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nope. But you really could say that we've had the worst SI scouting in MLS.

    And I know many here are willing to dismiss our pretty sad drafting of the past few years (when they were so proud to crow about the drafting prior to that) ... but I'm not.
     
  17. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did some research last year and was told two different things. One was that all transfer fees have to be paid by allocation money and another that said they didn't have to be paid by allocation money. Did we mysteriously lose allocations around the time we signed Fernandez and Badilla? If so then we probably did use them otherwise it came out of Kraft's pocket.
     
  18. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you're telling us....that you have no idea. Awesome.
     
  19. MarkyMark

    MarkyMark Member

    Jun 27, 2008
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What was the evidence against all transfer fees have to be paid by allocation money (besides David Beckham)?
     
  20. wolfp10

    wolfp10 Member

    Sep 25, 2005
    Beckham came here on a free.
     
  21. REV-OKe

    REV-OKe Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    seriously, i mean alston barnes and knighton really suck.

    no wonder we lost all 3 games already.

    man, dcu has the scouts i dream about.
     
  22. jokeefe80

    jokeefe80 Red Card

    Oct 31, 2005
    Boston, Ma
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i like when you make intelligent posts
     
  23. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too bad it's a rarity.
     
  24. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lets go back--- a simple statement was made about the success rate of players MLS in general.

    Draftees and SI both have roughly a FAILURE rate of 60-65% and it's very hard to know which player will fall in the success or failure class prior to them seeing the field for an MLS team. Over time, the Revs have been inclined to build through the draft and have probably beat the MLS average of success through that route. With SI's their success rate have been below the MLS mean.

    In your view is that a fair statement?
     
  25. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep ... that's a fair, and to me, an accurate statement.
     

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