Climbing The Ladder with an excellent rundown of MLS +/- for the 2009 season: ----------11v11 Min/ +/- Kevin Alston/ 2087 / 6 Matt Reis/ 1975 / 5 Emmanuel Osei/ 1750 / 4 Steve Ralston/ 1348 / 4 Shalrie Joseph / 2072 / 2 Kenny Mansally/ 1562 / 2 Mauricio Castro/ 203 / 2 Jeff Larentowicz/ 2242 / 1 Chris Albright/ 90/ 1 Nico Colaluca/ 105/ 0 Stephane A / 37 / 0 Darrius Barnes/ 2448/ -1 Kheli Dube/ 1608/ -1 Pat Phelan / 973 / -1 Jay Heaps / 1959 / -2 Edgaras Jankaus/ 567 / -2 Sainey Nyassi/ 1740/ -4 Wells Thompson/ 1523 / -5 Chris Tierney / 1044/ -6 Brad Knighton / 473 / -6 Michael Videira/ 418/ -6 Amaechi Igwe / 596/ -8 More detailed stats on the site. It'd be interesting to modify those for the RSL game.
Indeed. The top 4 on the list all missed the debacle in Salt Lake: New England Revolution -- Brad Knighton, Amaechi Igwe, Darrius Barnes, Jay Heaps, Chris Tierney, Sainey Nyassi, Shalrie Joseph, Jeff Larentowicz, Wells Thompson, Kheli Dube (Michael Videira 64), Kenny Mansally. Videira was on for 4 of the 6 goals. Which means take away that game, and Joseph and Mansally are tied for the lead with +8.
And yet everyone says Reis was horrible this year, and Knighton looks promising. There's an 11 goal difference between the two.
There were a lot more goals that were directly Reis's fault than in years past. His GAA probably has more to do with going to a 4-4-2 with two defensive midfielders (and sometimes with a third at forward) than anything else.
Sure, he had a few bad goals that he probably would've saved a few years ago. I wouldn't say "there were a lot". All in all he was better. And if you're telling me that Alston Osei Barnes Heaps is that much better than John Parkhurst Heaps with Red and Dread playing DM, then I think I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there.
Look at the amount of shots he faced this year, and in only 24 games. The amount of saves he made is incredible. His old defense let up nowhere near the shots he faced per game this year.
http://web.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t109&player=reis_m&playerId=rei593273&statType=career The only times he made more saves were when he played in more games. He made 6 more in 6 more games in 2007. He made 1 more in 7 more games in 2005. He made 27 more in 8 more games in 2006 (still less per game, I think its 4.4 in 06 per game compared to 4.8 this year, but you can do your own calculations). Besides that he has never made more saves, or come close to the saves per game that he had this year. QED b*tch.
Do you love this too Chowda? Where's your f*cking citation when you make a boneheaded claim that "there were a lot more goals that were directly Reis's fault than in years past"? Or that "His GAA probably has more to do with going to a 4-4-2"?
Statistics are not especially meaningful in soccer, especially over a short period of time (although I think +/- is probably the most useful of a bad set of statistical tools). I think that from what my eyes tell me that Reis had a bit of an off year. This is partly from the couple of soft goals, the Osei mix-up and the couple of rebounds allowed on balls he could have held (and probably would have in the past), but more so for the much higher than usual number of balls cleared out from behind him or saved off the line by defenders. No citation, not sure that the statistic is kept, but I can remember at least 1/2 dozen of these, far more than I remember from any past year. He's still a solid keeper and probably the second least of my worries in our first XI (after Dread).
Because I watched them with my own eyes. Is it boneheaded to claim to have watched three incredibly bad plays by Reis causing goals at home games when I can't remember Reis making that many in the four previous years? I watched him this year allow goals he never would have screwed up in the past. I watched similar goals play out during road matches. He also got away with quite a few dumb decisions to come out from goal and should have been burned. Anyone who says this was one of Reis's best years either didn't watch him much or is fooling themselves. A 1/2 a shot more per game doesn't make up for that. But he was hurt for most of the year, he has an excuse. He just wasn't one of the best in MLS in 2009 like the Revs need him to be.
I'll trust the numbers more than your own eyes. Maybe you should invest in glasses? Or thicker frames if you already wear glasses. Its funny that you say half a save per game though, because thats the closest it ever got. More often it was between .75 and 1 more per game. But yeah, ask me for facts (because you think they don't exist), then disregard them by telling me what you saw with your own eyes. You don't come off looking like a douche at all. Really. You don't.
I'm backed up by someone who posted before me. It's also the common belief from a lot of Revs fans I've spoken to towards the end of the season that something wasn't right with him, that he wasn't nearly as steady. But hey, go on believing Reis had a great year.
Ummm... Is there any need for such negativity and personal attacks? I see that you've only been a member for a few months -- you'll quickly learn to stop taking everything so personally. And attacking a long-standing, repsected poster isn't going to make you any friends or earn you any respect around here. I agree Chowda -- Reis did not have his best year in 2009. The first half of 2008 was his best season, by far. He stood on his head and carried the team to the end of the SuperLiga, but his performances have fallen off since then. Hopefully he'll be back to his old self once he's back from his injury.
"I love it when there's no citation to posts like this." This is the reason. Don't take away from a post that I have made that is absolutely true with some chicken-shit comment like this just because you disagree with me. Its an absolutely spineless comment that essentially says "I am wrong but I'm too stuborn to admit it.
You refuted his argument with facts. I have no problem with that. But this isn't necessary. And this is your warning.
Not looking for friends or respect. I just hate how when the majority of Revs fans start to believe something, everyone takes it as absolute truth regardless of what rational thought would say (ex. Reis did not play extremely well this year).
I guess the point here is if you direct people to stats, please insert a link to said facts. I wasn't arguing with the validity. I was disapproving of the level of messageboard courtesy.
Maybe I'm posting on the wrong board. I guess I should find somewhere to talk about the Revs where when people ask for facts and I give them said facts, they won't immediately dismiss them. Somewhere with open-minded people.
If you wanted facts and educated discussion and people to admit when they are wrong then you came to the wrong board.
Can you really base this on anything? The internet is a wondrous thing. A lot of people are different here than in real life. That stands to reason, as you exercise different areas of the brain when reading/writing than when in a social setting. When I first came to the Revs board (the old RevsNet for about a year before I even discovered this one), I thought that negative talk drives away people from being Revs fans, that somehow it would hurt the franchise and it would fold. I can tell you that it really isn't the case. Sure, it may drive people away from the message board, but if they are truly fans of the team, that won't get in the way. And there's a heck of a lot less group think than you believe there is. It's just been especially negative recently because we've seen off season after off season of inactivity consistent with the team's decline. We don't like that because we love our team and want the best for them. So, relax and enjoy. Or don't relax and get upset over a bunch of strategically placed 1's and 0's. It's up to you.
Fair enough, I will keep that in mind. As someone has pointed out, I am new here, and I guess I shouldn't have assumed that everyone is capable of opening up a new tab, googling "Matt Reis stats", and being on his mlsnet page within about 15 seconds. Maybe a better way of saying it for you would simply be "can you give me a link please" instead of the way you said it though.
And yet you called me a bitch? Come on. Listen, I got an hour of sleep last night. My emotions weren't elevated in any way during this exchange. I'll probably forget about it all after I take a 14 hour catnap. We cool?