RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!!!

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  1. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    And what changed in the interim? More people were getting college degrees. I will still maintain in the cultural roadblocks that we both agree exist would best be overturned by a higher educated populace. And in case you haven’t realized that’s exactly why Republicans have always tried to gut the school system. They sell it to their base on their racism/way of life right? But the reason why they need it is because it helps maintain it. Take it from me, I was raised in a very Conservative family. I only broke out of it because of my time and experiences at school and around the country. My education differs from my siblings (STEM in one case, an economist professor in the other) and it resulted in a different political situation for me.


    Millennials elected Obama. The MAGA movement is largely in response to that. Millennials are the most educated generation in society. If we continued that trend I believe this issues would be better treated.
     
  2. rslfanboy

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    lol. Sounders grew up super-conservative Christian. I grew up super Mormon. Even knocked doors for a couple years!

    take it from us, it’s racism,
    Patriarchy and anti-LGBT+, with an accidental stumbling into anti-abortion, which has brought us here.

    Public schools were created post-civil war. Separate-but-equal is how they ended up implemented, and the current “conservative” movement grew out of retaliation to Board v Brown and the Civil Rights Movement.

    Sure, some wealthy minorities are allowed in to the higher institutions, but the goal is to get them and the women back down in their place. You’ve grown up in a weird exceptional moment in history.
     
  3. Jeremy Goodwin

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    None of this will result in a meaningful change in the trend of US politics. The economy might do it for the next two years then the racists and evangelicals will have found a Republican to run who passes the "independent" smell test and Bannon and Miller will be back in the game.

    Look at Norway, they've got an Epstein disaster going on right now and that's a country rich in socialist history that regularly ranks at or near the top of development indexes, outcomes, and gender equity.

    The Trump administration seems to consider being an Epstein hanger-on a prerequisite for participation but even if this plant is uprooted the US won't change into a socialist utopia.

    And putting them in prison doesn't count for anything. We know the next Republican president will just let them all out yelling for his supporters to free the political prisoners and tear the bastille stone from stone.
     
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  4. Sufjan Guzan

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    Sidebar: found out some more about my Mormon side of the family (several generations removed) My great and great great grandfathers were born in Kirtland Ohio (it autocorrected sorry), with my Great-Great grandfather abandoning the family and moving out West ending up being in the Mormon community in Seattle.

    If we go further back there’s another brother of a descendant who’s entire family got involved and traveled out with the Mormons from Kirtland Ohio.
     
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  5. superdave

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    Good post.

    I would just add that “eradicate” is unrealistic for any one thing. I’ve posted this before, but white working class union members are less racist than white working class non union members, even if you control for things like low unionization rates in the South.

    What I’m getting at is, if the unspecific “rise in class consciousness “ leads to legislation and zeitgeist changes that in turn lead to more people in unions, that will help with the racism.

    I have never seen anecdotes or anecdata about homophobia, though.
     
  6. superdave

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    I know we breeders are underrepresented here in this forum compared to the general population, so let me note that we are talking about China and not mentioning the one child policy, which is as intrusive and totalitarian as anything since WW II.

    With the GI Bill after WW II, America made a commitment to expanding access to college degrees for Americans. It’s no coincidence that within a decade of women and POCs joining the flood into colleges, the backlash began with Bakke. And that backlash is pervasive now; it covers cost and what’s taught and the purpose of college. We had about a quarter century with a commitment to expanding college (for white men.). Once others started taking advantage of that commitment, America reneged on it.
     
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  7. rslfanboy

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    This whole nation is full of weirdo fundamentalists back to its vestigial beginnings. Nobody has a monopoly or special claim.

    However amazing you feel Eugene V. Debs was, who was pretty kick ass TBF, I think I have found much more profound and eloquent visions of what American can and should be by people like Frederick Douglass and pretty much any NDN chief/leader whose words have been recorded and preserved.
     
  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Not sure that it's been studied. But I wonder as Americans say more & more in polls that theyre "not religious", have we been more accepting of LGBTQ rights and gay/interracial marriage?
     
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  9. Sufjan Guzan

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    Feb 13, 2016

    No argument from me about other notable individual contributors to America’s history. I choose Debs because it is white supremacy holding this country back from delivering on its original promise. And he’s responsible for a good amount of the foundation of what made America great for so many people in the post WWII world because of his ideas finally getting co opted by FDR in his New Deal.

    Definitely not the be all end all American. I don’t mean to elevate him over others. I pay tribute to Fred Hampton in my signature for that reason.
     
  10. spejic

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    I have a radical proposal to help stop future Epsteins from happening - everyone going to court on a criminal charge is defended only by public defender. A big reason why Epstein felt free to do what he did (all the whats he did) is because he was rich enough to make it hard to prosecute him, and if he was prosecuted he could draw on the best lawyers in the nation to make sure it didn't truly harm him.
     
  11. Sufjan Guzan

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    Feb 13, 2016
    With all of that said on a tip from tik tok, I went and searched "no images". If you change the file name for documents from pdf to mp4 the videos pop back up. They are still redacted. We are not angry enough.

    This is the biggest cover up in American history.
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    There are significant constitutional issues with your idea!
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    DOJ is currently 'covering up' two murders that happened on video last month!

    epstein isn't even the biggest coverup this year
     
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  14. Sounders78

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    I've posted the following before, most recently in the Refried Presidency thread (post 9110):


    For the record, this holds true when other major variables are accounted for (politics, education, ethnicity, religion, socioeconomic status, etc). The determining factor was always acceptance or the rejection of evolution.
     
  15. Kryptonite

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    This isn't the first for this level of editing/shenanigans. There was a previous where typing "Trump " with the space, it would show his last name a ton of times.
     
  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    The defending rich scumbags bar wants a word with you
     
  17. Q*bert Jones III

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    With a normal court...

    I think it wouldn't pass the 1st but I also think the idea that some people are entitled to better representation than others is a clear denial of the 14th's "equal protection of the laws" clause.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    I am in no way an expert on the right to counsel, but i understand in general the courts have only very limited right to interfere under the 6th amendment. So basically if you have chosen a private counsel they can't be removed except for conflict or maybe bad misconduct. So I doubt a state could pass such a law restricting private counsel.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    I think I've mentioned before that Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord had an episode where they shared the view that perhaps some defendants can't realistically be prosecuted due to their ability to gum up the works. Specifically Trump. But also the large tech firms etc.
     
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  20. Belgian guy

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    Well that news is certainly going to change my opinion of the man.
     
  21. Belgian guy

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    That is not a political change, but mostly an educational change imho. It's all one thing, the success of MAGA and Trumpism but also of various conspiracy theories. All are symptoms of a serious deficit in critical thinking.

    How do you even hope to start and fix that?
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    I've come around to the idea that the average voter is no dumber or smarter than in previous eras

    The problem is who they listen to.
     
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  23. Belgian guy

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    All of that still does not explain the Acosta sweetheart deal that included blanket protection for all co-conspirators.
     
  24. Belgian guy

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    I am not sure I would put it in terms of dumber or smarter. More easily caught by misinformation, which is why we need to teach critical thinking as a default behavior.
     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Why allow all the stupidity in the first place?

    I often wondered about what would happen if you went back to the late 80s, and created a Roganised Oprah who told all the mums not to vaccinate their kids, that the elections were stolen etc etc etc
     
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