Regional War Part 4

So its ok to bomb cars which are leaving Southern Lebanon ( something Israel asked the Lebanese to do ) because Israel claims it will make Israel safer. What if you had your family members in one of those cars , would you still make a statement like that?

 

No actually, it doesn't have any right to do so. Those actions are war crimes and Israel signed up to the treaty outlawing them.

 

Leave me out of your argument with scarecrow. You're as bad as he is

 

Accidents happen - it's an effing war. Israeli citizens are in bomb shelters - it's a war. People die, whether it's ok or not is irrelevant when it comes to war. Hezbollah started it, Israel will finish it.

 

Maybe you haven't read or watched the news...because hezbollah sets up in civilian homes, businesses, neighborhoods. They have in effect kidnapped the Lebanese people. And you seem ok with it.

 

You should just put him on ignore. He doesn't deserve debate.

 

But Hezbollah has the right to fire rockets into civilian population? They are Lebanese, part of Lebanese parliament, using Lebanese territories - why isn't Lebanon held responsible?

 

Easy.. Recognize the existence of the state of Israel and cooperate in the removal of terrorists from within its midsts....

It works with the Palestinians too..stop the use of violence and terrorism, in actions not in words....the result peace and negotation. It's really pretty easy if you act civilized and commit to building something in this world instead of tearing down everything everyone else has built. It takes a commitment to personal responsibilty and a desire to create something and to stop blaming others for your own problems and the problems caused by your corrupt leaders.

 

How does that justify attacking two Red Cross ambulances? How does that justify attacking people for obeying Israeli "suggestions" to leave town before it gets attacked? How does that justify attacking a hospital containing hundreds of innocent civilians and yet provide not one single shred of evidence that Hezbollah were using it to launch rockets from?

As do you with the IDF's murder of hundreds of innocent civilians.

 

Yes people die , but you people seem think the lives of Israelis is far more important then the Lebanese people

 

Strange. You feel comfortable excusing the large number of Muslims that are responsible for the horrors that we are seeing in the world today.

 

Something which may have happened in the light of the Cedar Revolution but unfortunately we'll never know since Olmert decided this border fracas was a timely excuse to show he could get tough with the best of them

You mean civilized like bombing a country back into the stone age because two soldiers were kidnapped? That kind of civilized?

 

I'll say it. I hate extremist muslims that engage in terrorism and incitement.

 

The horrors are caused by bunch of rich white man sitting in the White House.

 

Nice strawman but woefully misplaced.

Care to show me where I made such a claim?

 

I hate all extremists who resort to violence , Jews, Muslims, Christians

 

Can you prove your ridiculous statement? For someone that says he doesn't favor Hezbollah, you sure use similar language. You say something inflammatory like war crime and then can't back it up.

Also, show me where a terrorist group residing in another sovereign country is entitled to the protections of the conventions of war.

 

Hahaha...George W. Bush, cuckholded.

 

As do I but that isn't what scarecrow stated on many occasions. Maybe you should choose which arguments you want to jump into a little more carefully next time

 

This is not the right diplomatic approach and I'll tell you why: I'm fucking sick of shi'ites. I'm a nice moderate liberal American who has no anti-Jewish bias because I love Hollywood. In other words, I'm the power that be's. I want to see Hezbollah completely destroyed, but the attack on the Lebanese infrastructure sickens me. Only about 30% of the Lebanese population is Shi'ite. Don't make the innocent pay. I'm heartened to see Israel take a ground campaign into southern Lebanon to attack the cancer directly. It means that more Israelis die, but it also shows the sacrifice Israel is willing to make to protect itself. This is necessary. I wish America could join this fight, but Bush wasted our go-to-war capital on a meaningless Iraq.

 

And what does this have to with wanting all Iranians dead?

 

You talk about generalizations? You take errors by Israel and then extrapolate them to all actions that they take. And these may not even be errors. The Pals have been using ambulances repeatedly to transport terrorists, why do you think Hezbollah is any different.

The war is less than two weeks old and Israel is in the midst of a war. Please forgive them if they have better things to do than provide you their evidence. Give them time and they will. Which is something the media never does. they accept the terrorist/apologist bull and report it without question. Then when the Israelis provide proof, we barely see it reported. See Mohammed El Dura, see Jenin, etc, etc, etc.

 

So the attack on the civilians leaving Sidon was a figment of my imagination? Same with the Apache helicopters that attacked the Red Cross ambulances?

Or aren't those war crimes any more?

Ah, the Gitmo defence. Nice morality you have there but it's an irrelevant point anyway. If you actually bothered reading Odessit's post you'd see he was justifying the bombing of buses, airports etc if it was in Israels defence. And those would be Lebanese buses, airports etc.

 

I am saddened by all civilian deaths, but a) your count of innocent civilians include terrorists. That's just how you are. I accept that. I just won't degrade myself to call terrorists civilians and b) Israel does not target civilians. You laugh at their notices to the residents, instead of giving them the slightest credit for doing so. You are so biased you can't even see it.

 

So the 1200 rocket attacks in the last 6 years is no issue for you. Please excuse the residents of Israel that aren't willing to keep playing Hezbollah roulette with their lives or the lives of their kids.

Again, we as Jews and all of Israel will not apologize for seeking to stay alive. Despite your desire.

And also, you say that bombing a country back into the stone age, as you grossly overstate it (which also says much about your debate tactics), is uncivilized. So are you against all wars or only those where Jews defend themselves.