Refried Boogaloo: Trump Just... Sucks

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  1. Belgian guy

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    Unlike the sober, sane and rational bunch on the American right. :ROFLMAO:
     
  2. Q*bert Jones III

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    Fixed.
     
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  3. phedre44

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    All this negative energy and vitriol over certain (female) people not endorsing a given candidate, but strangely crickets on Schumer and Jeffries not endorsing Zohran Mamdani, who is insanely an insanely popular figure generating massive enthusiasm, especially among key demographics Democrats have identified as important for outreach.

    The leaders of the Democratic party could lead on healing divisions between factions in the party, embodying the "vote blue no matter who" policy they want to push, but they don't.

    But we're still big mad about one TikTok a random pop star made a year ago.

    I'm curious why there's no matching negative energy and vitriol over the divisiveness being shown by the leaders of the party.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Yes, we need more cohesion to fight fascism. Not "well trans folk are expendable" because ICs and their Trumpy cousins say-so. If you compare their struggles to other groups & issues (interracial & same sex marriage) Americans get it.

    Not sure this is current as Hochul endorsed this week.

    https://www.zohranfornyc.com/endorsements
     
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    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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  6. Quakes05

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    #2081 Quakes05, Sep 18, 2025
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    We’ve been discussing presidential politics and how in the world were Democrats not able to stop a Trump second term, after his first term and all his whining about a rigged election culminating in J6 insurrection and everything everyone knew about him.

    Why was the enthusiasm for our candidate not where it needed to be and how do we address so many lefty types who just couldn’t quite embrace her, when the alternative was Trump?

    I’m still fuming about it. Of course the right have their kooks, but we have to get our own party in order or we’re never coming back.

    We need new leadership and I’m not seeing it.
     
  7. Quakes05

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    That’s understood, the right is who they are, with their agenda, and we’re getting absolutely crushed.
    My concern is with my party and how are we going to get our own shit together.
     
  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    But she laughed funny and was too Blaaaaah...

    White House plans to take action targeting left-wing groups as early as this month

    The response to Charlie Kirk's assassination is expected to include investigations into certain liberal organizations' tax-exempt status. Prosecutors haven't indicated the suspect was part of a group.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...eting-left-wing-groups-early-month-rcna231998
     
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  9. Kazuma

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    #2084 Kazuma, Sep 18, 2025
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    If you want to call me a sexist, just do it already. But I don't think you have the stones to do so.

    Now as for why I'm angry about certain women (Like Tlaib*) not endorsing a candidate, well, take a look around. Plenty of people (Not just women) that were likely to be highly affected were told this would happen. But instead people just wanted to bitch about Dems not catering to their wishes. People just wanted to bitch about a conflict that doesn't affect us, and people just wanted to bitch about it like it was the most important thing ever. Never mind that there was a literal conservative project called Project 2025 that outlined what they did.

    *: Notice how I don't go after Ilhan Omar or AOC as much? Because they knew the stakes. Although they also made an effort to legitimize Uncommitted, and need to be told to shut up, Tlaib though, is a different matter. As I said, she's a cross to bear.

    The adoration people have been doing over Mamdani is something else. It's a mayoral race, in a city that if one has visited (In your case, I doubt you've ever been), will understand is not like the rest of the US. He is also unable to poll at 50% considering his opponents consist of an asshole ex-governor, a guy who sounds like a crazy person, and another guy whose biggest achievement is starting a vigilante organization in the 80s. Mamdani is also running behind Harris's numbers in NYC. That is telling.

    Did he endorse Harris? I ask because he most certainly did not. Same with Biden. So why should Dems endorse him if he was pulling this?

    And again, it's a mayoral race. In a city that is not like the rest of the US.

    I'm mad about a lot of people. Roan (And the fact that she's been silent about trans people, especially since the Kirk shooting is telling) but she's brave enough to speak against Dems? And yet can't speak out against her Republican uncle? Boo ********ing hoo. I know you're a fan of her, but she's a moron. And deserves scorn. Just like Tlaib and anyone else who said Dems were bad. Or made an effort to harm Dems. In an election that was high stakes. Same way I'm angry with Nader voters in 2000. People gotta be self righteous about things.

    Because again, it's a mayoral race. Which has never been a big deal in the scheme of things. Detroit has a mayoral race going on, none of the Dem bigwigs are talking about it. Because it doesn't matter. And Mamdani isn't owed a thing, especially after his efforts to harm Dems. And yet again, he cannot clear 50% in polling.
     
  10. Quakes05

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    #2085 Quakes05, Sep 18, 2025
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    Fvck any and all "Democrats" who weren't out there fighting for Kamala Harris with every fiber of their being. :mad:
     
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  11. Belgian guy

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    I think the point is more that Dem leadership cannot preach "vote blue no matter who" if they themselves can't walk the walk. So it's not even about Mamdami.
    Harris was the Dem candidate in the 2024 presidential election and you loathe Tlaib for not having supported her. Mamdami won the Dem primary in NYC, by the same reasoning, is he now owed the support of fellow Dems?
    I don't really get why that principle should not apply in a mayoral election - in America's biggest city.
     
  12. Quakes05

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    If these dumbasses didn't understand the stakes and didn't support our candidate when it was about as critical a moment in US presidential politics as any of us could imagine, these people deserve to be publicly flogged, and banished...it was a simple choice, and the stakes could not have been higher. We can't have idiots in the party who couldn't get behind our candidate when the alternative was where we find ourselves today. These people aren't Democrats, and we need to offload them.
     
  13. phedre44

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    I do not, in fact, have testicles to do anything with.
     
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  14. Kazuma

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    I'm going to put this simply:

    Mayoral elections are insignificant on a national level. There hasn't been a mayoral candidate who became mayor that hasn't made it to President since IIRC, Coolidge. And that was over a hundred years ago. Mayor of NYC is inconsequential in a country that has several other major cities. What works in NYC isn't going to work in Detroit. What works in Detroit isn't going to work in Dallas. See where I'm going with this? Gonna add that Detroit has a mayoral election going on, the Dem bigwigs aren't speaking about it because it's again, inconsequential. To add, NYC has never had a mayor become President.

    Zohran Mamdani also spent 2024 arguing against Biden and then Harris. This would be like me telling my boss to go to hell then ask for a reference. He is also underperforming Harris numbers wise. That alone would be giving anyone pause. That he spent 2024 pushing the uncommitted movement and refused to endorse Harris when the stakes were high, would rightfully have people not endorsing him or saying anything. But again, he's underperforming Harris in a royal blue part of the US.

    All he has done is win a primary, a closed one, in the largest city in the US. This is Barcelona youth product hype post-Messi. Do something big in reserves or score a wonder goal against a lower table side, people think it's the second coming. Only to flame out and not live up to expectations like Bojan Krkic or Ansu Fati.
     
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  15. Kazuma

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    Cute. But you know what I mean.
     
  16. roadkit

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    When the press relies primarily on Twitter for information or responses, the battle is already lost.
     
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  17. Belgian guy

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    You are arguing from the POV of candidate quality and whether or not success in NYC can be a launching pad to a successful national political career. Both of those things are pretty much irrelevant in a discussion about whether or not Dems should always publicly support other Dems or not.
     
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  18. Quakes05

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    this alone should be completely disqualifying for any future in the Democratic Party.

    good lord.

    were these people just too stupid to understand the stakes or were their intentions malicious? either way...we have these people to thank for doing their part to bring us Trump II and fvck them. they need to go.
     
  19. Kazuma

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    I'm giving you reasons why Dems aren't supporting him. You keep ignoring them.

    He again, won in a closed primary in a major city. Big. Whoop. He is again, running behind Harris's numbers in NYC. That's not good. He again, cannot get to 50% in polling considering who his opponents are. In New York City. If he was at 50, even 60, it'd be a different story. But also, mayoral races aren't important in the grand scheme of things.

    And again, he didn't support Harris during 2024. So why should the bigwig Dems support him when he was doing that?
     
  20. Quakes05

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    These dots are apparently very hard for some people to connect. Should be the easiest thing in the world for people to understand that if you are a Democrat who wasn't supporting Harris, wholeheartedly, you need to stfu and sit in the corner...you are worse than useless.
     
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    The symbolism is staggering. Saudi Arabia was arguably the quintessential US client state. If Riyadh no longer trusts Washington’s security guarantees, why should anyone else?

    Saudi Arabia now falls under Pakistan’s nuclear umbrella. This formalizes two opposing nuclear-backed blocs in the Middle East: US-Israel vs Pakistan-Saudi. Crucially, Pakistan rejects a “no first use” doctrine meaning Riyadh now has a protector willing to strike preemptively.

    Also with most of Pakistan’s arms imports coming from China, Saudi Arabia has effectively moved itself closer to China’s military-industrial complex. The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) now stretches to the Persian Gulf, shielded by Pakistani nuclear deterrence and Chinese military tech. This creates a secure energy route from the Middle East to China, bypassing the vulnerable Strait of Malacca.

    The timing is telling just days after Israel’s strike on Qatar, a stark reminder of the fragility of US protection. Other Gulf states, and likely other US-aligned nations, may soon pursue similar arrangements. This could trigger a domino effect, unraveling the American-led global alliance system and ushering in a new era where regional nuclear powers become primary security providers.

    The prospect of Israel-Saudi normalization now seems dead. Pakistan doesn’t recognize Israel, and with this alliance, Saudi Arabia gains the strategic autonomy to resist US pressure.

    India faces a strategic dilemma: its arch-rival Pakistan is now the security guarantor for one of its key energy suppliers.

    Economically, this is another blow to the petrodollar system. Freed from exclusive reliance on US protection, Saudi Arabia can now price oil in any currency it chooses.

    Read this anyway you want, the US has possibly irreversibly crippled its reputation as a protector. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan have some soul searching to do. The Europeans already see the writing on the wall
     
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  22. Belgian guy

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    So you disagree with "vote blue no matter who" yourself. Got it.
     
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  23. Quakes05

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    jesus Belgian, do you not understand why their actions were traitorous, really? These are supposed Democrats who helped get Trump elected because of their unwillingness to support our perfectly suitable candidate.
     
  24. song219

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    There never has been a formal guarantee for Saudi Arabia or any of the gulf nations. If there was an informal guarantee it hasn't outlived the Saudi-Yemen war.
     
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