Refried Boogaloo: Trump Just... Sucks

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  1. Belgian guy

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    Trump's supertalent, if you want to call it that, is that his lizardbrain understands the base desires and smallness of his MAGA base better than most. Not just down to messaging, but also the form of that messaging. So he can play to the bühne like a master, to the point that even when he does stuff that is clearly silly and at times borderline insane, the base still laps it up eagerly.

    Couch********er is the guy who cannot even order a donut like a normal person ("Just whatever makes sense"), nor make small talk with a store employee like a normal person. I just don't see him ever having Trump like appeal to the MAGAts. Even when he tries to be a Trump tribute act, it feels fake and cringe.

    Of course, by the time it's his turn, electoral appeal might not matter much, if at all.
     
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  2. Tribune

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    MAGA never understood how soft power works. It has a mindset which is a combination of cowboy braggadocio and mobster thuggery.
    As far as they are concerned, everyone is leeching from the US and the best way to rectify this is with a "big stick": so they better pay their "dues" or they can drop dead.
     
  3. Sounders78

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    I'm not as big into music as most here and I had never heard the term "New Romantics" before (I was more familiar with the "second British invasion". I decided to look it up on Wikipedia suspecting I was a fan without knowing it. Sure enough, basically almost all of my favorites, most of whom are still on my playlist, are listed as being part of the movement.
     
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  4. lanman

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    Any popularity Vance has now with MAGA is because he's attached to Trump. That evaporates if Trump is out of the picture.
     
  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    He really endeared himself to soccer moms everywhere by victim blaming Good
     
  6. dapip

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    British Invasion, you said?
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Potowmack

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    Greenland is such a marginal piece of land, it took three different tries by three different peoples to actually successfully settle it.

    Trump seems to have this notion in his head that there are large mining opportunities, but mining companies haven't had much luck there, and there's no reason to think that will change any time soon.
     
  8. bigredfutbol

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    As an older Gen-Xer whose cultural tastes took shape in the mid/late 80's, I really think that the reflexive cynicism and implicit contempt for "inauthenticity" that shaped our formative years all too easily curdled into nihilism and being far too comfortable with deliberate cruelty.
     
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  9. dapip

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    Almost like what they thought about oil in Venezuela. The Oil companies are telling him that it is not worth investing there.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/01/trump-plan-venezuela-oil-economic-mistake/685572/

    It is almost as if we were being ruled by a delusional dictator.
     
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  10. bigredfutbol

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    They think immigration is a net negative for the economy, remember--they have a fundamentally zero-sum view of the world, in which virtuous Real Americans are perpetually besieged by parasites.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    I mean if your college buddy voted for this, you have to be asking if he's a bit too mid to continue on with
     
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  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    America First means whatever Trump says - there is no policy coherence

    See Tarifs.
     
  13. song219

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    What's more authentic than cruelty?
     
  14. bigredfutbol

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    Exactly.

    I cringe at some of the black humor I used to chortle at. We were assholes who thought it was OK because the joker was going for shock value not sincerely advocating whatever.

    Being transgressive was, in retrospect, a lot less interesting than we wanted to believe.
     
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  15. Kazuma

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    Never trust anyone who makes nihilism their personality has been something my parents taught me and has come in handy quite often.

    Same goes for people who make it a point to show how eccentric they are.
     
  16. babaorum

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    I've never heard of that either. At first I thought it was a musical style stuck somewhere between Wagner and Debussy, but it seems that's not the case.
     
  17. soccernutter

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    Two points here.
    1 - If Trump decides to run for a 3rd term, I suspect that SCOTUS will rule against him, but for some reason other than the 22nd Amendment, as they would be horrified by his mental decline. Not Alito and Thomas, of course.
    2 - There are some arguing that we are already in a constitutional crisis. I've even heard arguments that we have been that way since the end of the Civil War because of all the civil rights violations/laws passed by state and local jurisdictions.

    And the Mayan "Empire." Interestingly, I read a different account from a history writer of the Anasazi from Arizona independent of Diamond, and there were a lot of things that lined up. Not sure how much has been updated to that since it has been something like 20 years since I read that stuff.

    Which is what makes MAGA a populist authoritarian movement. But it is tied, mostly, to a single person. So, once Trump dies/leaves office, it will run in the background, not as a primary movement. And to be clear, I'm not saying it will be only occasionally noticeable, but will not be the primary movement like it was under Trump.
     
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  18. soccernutter

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    There have been questions about this kidnapping of Maduro about how that is American First. So, cracks...?
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yeah - can't fault that take!
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    What I am getting at is there is a standing issue here.

    The issue can probably only get to the SC after trump already runs. For instance if he runs in the GOP primary, that could be an opportunity for someone to seek an order to exclude him, but does the constitutional bar apply also to the primary? And would he even be opposed if he ran?

    So it probably cannot even come up until the early preparations for the general, when presumably some Dem State AG refuses to put him on the ballot as ineligible. But then you are in for a world of hurt.

    I think in practice, the issue is resolved politically first - which is where I think we are currently at. He currently lacks the power to pull it off.
     
  21. russ

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    That is correct for the UK,not as much for American punks
     
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  22. Dr. Wankler

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    Most of the punks I ever encountered were rednecks with funny haircuts.

    To be sure, I was in the South. I suspect it might have been different in NYC, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, etc.
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    American punks were all Gipper-stans according to Reaganland
     
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  24. Pittsburgh Ref

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  25. Quakes05

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    For the record, American punks have always believed that nazi punks should fvck right off...

    DK.jpg
     
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