Refried Boogaloo: Trump Just... Sucks

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    I love these historical debates - e.g the criticism of Shirer's account of Nazi Germany by historians

    I think it's particular relevant when examining the last decade in politics, because many of the theories haven't stood up at all.
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Trevor Lawrence played well yesterday but his team's Super Bowl dreams collapsed anyhow.

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  3. Sounders78

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    His stuff on Easter Island was accurate for the time. It's just that subsequent research has showed that scenario (cutting down trees leading to eventual hunger, widespread conflict, cultural collapse ...) didn't happen. Skeletal remains do not show a disproportionate amount of injuries compared to other Polynesian societies and when they do show injuries, it was usually caused by rock throwing or domestic violence against females. If there was hunger, stature estimates should be lower than expected, but instead they are consistent with other Polynesian populations. Of course, there is a lot of other evidence as well.
     
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  4. Kazuma

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    The thing is there's quite a few of them though. Not MAGA but definitely right leaning.

    Johnny Rotten backed Brexit, Iggy Pop has admitted he was conservative and voted for Reagan, Ian Curtis voted for Thatcher. Even Bowie dabbled in it (until he realized that it was bad).
     
  5. bigredfutbol

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    Of course—there was a reflexively libertarian streak to punk that could easily veer into right wing support.

    I wasn’t arguing that there are no right wing punks, I’m arguing that in 2026 it’s not the genre that comes to mind when thinking of MAGA-friendly entertainment.

    For the record—I tend to think punk was something of an overrated dead end—more of a final gasp than anything.
     
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  6. bigredfutbol

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    Same for Greenland more or less. Written sources are scarce so it’s been a matter of piecing together archeological evidence and testing established narratives against that evidence.
     
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  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    I think most of these comparisons between MAGA / groyperism / fascism to the early culture 80s don't make any sense in context - rather you are correct that the libertarian/anarchistic streak in subcultures could veer in to the 'new right' revolutionary vibe of the time.

    For me the big misunderstanding of the 80s is that it was not a reactionary era, even though it was dominated by conservatives - MAGA is by contrast reactionary.

    There is perhaps a shared nihilsim and of course racism
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    A mentor of mine was in England at the time that punk etc got sawed off by the new romantic era. He used to hold forth on it at great length - funny to imagine that at the time we discussed these things in 94, it was only a decade later!

    But of course many of the new romantics themselves were a counter culture. Seems strange to imagine that now

    The hedonistic style of the time was of course very yuppie/tory, but culture club etc were very much not tories!
     
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  9. Naughtius Maximus

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    So these people are right-wing?



    Who knew :)

    I think the stuff about some of those people becoming right-wing later on says more about them just getting old, rather than them being right-wing all along.
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    You could be right about that, but its easy to forget that being a new right hedonist was itself somewhat of a counter culture in the first years. It is of course true that a lot of the wonderful pop culture of the time was in itself a reaction to Thatcher, but in general the whole 'neo liberal economic revolution' did also unleash a general social liberalism IMO

    In any event, the era didn't share the current reactionary, back to the 50s vibe that is for sure
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Remember that dude who posted here who claimed he had to vote for Trump to protect the dollar?

    LMAO
     
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  12. Belgian guy

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    The only truly far-right/fascist off-shoot of British punk was he co-opting of the Oi! movement by Neo-nazis in the early 1980s.
    The original punk movement was largely left-wing or at the very least anti-Thatcher/anti-authority/non-conformist.
     
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  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    Let's face it, when you met a skin head in the street in 1982, he was unlikely to be into Thatcher, whether he was a leftist or a neo-nazi
     
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  14. lanman

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    It was the post-punk scene that became more politically active on the left, and many of those would say they were influenced by The Clash. Surely you remember Red Wedge?
     
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  15. JamesA

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    The biggest problem I see in this debate, is not the slant of the punk movement but the political ideology (or lack their of) of the MAGA movement.

    Setting aside words and looking only at action, how "conservative" is it really?

    Strikes me Trump has pulled as many near communist economic moves as any POTUS in decades.

    MAGA doesn't strike me as having an ideological thread. It strikes me as following whatever the hell Dear Leader dreams up that benefits his ego.
     
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    I think you're conflating "command economy" with "state socialism" (in fairness, there's a lot of overlap between the two).

    I agree that MAGA is somewhat ideologically incoherent, and I'd argue that we're seeing a collapse of old left/liberal vs right/conservative dichotomies.
     
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    You're correct. The MAGA/Trump seems to be populist in terms of campaign promises and bounces between fascism, imperialism, libertarianism and communism depending on Dear Leader's rants (or on whomever got his ear last). We are wrong in trying to box this movement in an ideological category regarding economic theory, and we should understand that this is a totalitarian/dominionist movement with litle consistency, other than enrich the elites, and stomp on those who are different or dare to opposse them.
     
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    Trump posted this Wikipedia page before it was edited back

    So transgressive!!!
     
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  19. JamesA

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    I don't think I'm conflating the two, I think I'm merely reflecting back what I'm observing. That's because their is not economic ideological through line to follow.

    There is simply too much hypocrisy in his actions and thought process for the presence of a through line.

    It's all about him.

    I think the recent MAGA v America First fracture is just another great example.
     
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  20. Robert Borden

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    All this is doing is showing the sheer cruelty of the United States to the rest of the world. Countries who were on the fences are more likely to choose its adversaries - even allies are walking away

    The US blockade of Cuba is the longest-standing act of collective punishment in the world. It is condemned by the entire international community every year at the UN.

    Mexico is still sending oil to the island but sadly, they are about to get severely punished for their humanity
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  21. soccernutter

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    Because it is part of Denmark, which is part of NATO and the EU and the EC, which also has the ECB. Trump may think it is just a small place that he can bully, and even bully a smaller place like Denmark, but he's never been willing to deal with the complexities of NATO or the EU, so he doesn't have a clue as to how they will operate. And he also doesn't understand the viciousness of soft power. But others do. And there will be lots of back channel warnings and threats and will get those who know to tell Trump to back off.

    And this is all because of how easy Trump thinks it was to kidnap Maduro. At the least, Rubio will be telling him in private meetings that this is a bad idea.
     
  22. soccernutter

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    While JD couldn't hold MAGA together, and has been more openly racist, he is also likely to be more stable, in part because he's not got dementia.
     
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    It will forever be absurd that the U.S. electorate essentially threw away 80+ years of soft power over Donald J. Trump.
     
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  25. soccernutter

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    This confirms that Powell is a political enemy.

    There was talk on Friday night/Saturday morning that committees were set to spike on Monday and into the future. I suppose some had insight into this, but probably a more general market sentiment preparing for the tariff ruling from SCOTUS.
     

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