What might be more disconcerting to Major League Baseball is that two of the myriad MLS/EPL showdowns that have been happening across the country this past week or so beat these games head-to-head. New York Red Bulls/Arsenal on ESPN2 drew 289,000 viewers at 3 p.m. ET while Chicago Fire/Tottenham Hotspur drew 383,000 at 8 p.m. ET. Of course, it’s rare that Premier League teams play at reasonable viewing hours, but these are exhibition games. Exhibition games between MLS and EPL teams defeated regular season baseball head to head. The damage was even worse in the coveted Adults 18-49 demographic. Nats/Reds (57,000 viewers) and Indians/Royals (53,000) were nowhere close to Red Bulls/Arsenal (183,000) and Fire/Spurs (284,000). In fact, Chicago/Tottenham drew more viewers in the Adults 18-49 demo than either MLB game drew total. http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/mlb...beaten-by-exhibition-soccer-on-espn2-saturday
Manchester United vs. Real Madrid, a friendly no less, drew 109,000 people in Michigan, breaking the record for soccer attendance in the United States. You guys should see the vitriol in the Comments section after the news... The soccer haters are frightened and came out with all the guns firing, saying it must have been 109,000 illegal aliens, etc. The truth is, soccer is here to stay, has succeeded, and it scares the hell out of baseball fans and the such.
According to Bayern Munich: Jörg Wacker, Bayern's head of internationalization and strategy, said club research showed some 60 million U.S. soccer fans, more than the entire populations of many European countries, and some 15 million people who were "interested" in Bayern Munich. "You have to be right here in the market," Wacker said. http://online.wsj.com/articles/euro...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Wednesday's #MLSAllStar Game viewers on ESPN2: 862K. More than the last two games combined: 319K in 2013 for Roma, 530K in 2012 for Chelsea.— Paul Kennedy (@pkedit) August 7, 2014
http://www.nielsensocial.com/nielsentwittertvratings/daily/ A unique Twitter audience of 2,656,000 garnering more than 16 million impressions.
Interesting, Wikipedia recognizes soccer as the 4th most popular sport in the United States, having displaced ice hockey from that position in all parameters, in all ways to look at it (including stats on what Americans call their favorite sport with soccer way ahead of ice hockey, and including other stats not included in the table below, such as average attendance and average TV viewership). Yes, soccer has breached the top 4. The funny thing is that most people haven't realized yet this undeniable truth, including journalists for major sports magazines, TV shows, etc. People still talk about the "big four" meaning American football, basketball, baseball, and ice hockey, when they should include soccer and drop ice hockey from this denomination.
I always understood the "big four" to be the NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL and not the sports themselves. Wikipedia seems to agree. Even if hockey isn't as big, the NHL is still bigger than MLS.
Well, then, someone needs to amend this Wikipedia article on this, since, 1- the article has outdated data with figures for MLS average attendance in 2010 (ever since there's been significant growth and now MLS average attendance is bigger than the NHL's according to the other Wikipedia article I've quoted) and 2- the article itself quotes as total attendance for the NHL about 2 million while total attendance for MLS is quoted as over 6 million (although I wonder if this is correct - we can't always trust Wikipedia since anyone can amend it). Also, now MLS has better TV viewership than the NHL, as well. I don't know, total attendance figures seem strange in this article given that the NHL has many more games and 30 teams versus 19 (and soon 21) for MLS, but this will change as well once MLS expands more. There are plans to eventually reach 30 franchises for MLS as well although some execs say it should stop at around 25. With some soccer stadiums being bigger than hockey arenas, inevitably even if the above figures are wrong, MLS will beat the NHL in this parameter as well. Another interesting piece of data I've seen, is that now TV viewership in the US for MLS is 50% bigger than US viewership of the EPL. In the past, soccer fans in the US used to dismiss MLS and watch foreign leagues, and this is now changing, which is excellent for the sport in the US (with viewership, contracts, ads and merchandise sales increase, putting more money in the sport which helps development and retention of athletes). The reality is, both soccer has surpassed ice hockey in popularity, and MLS has surpassed the NHL (or is about to, depending on what figures are right and what parameters you look at), but opponents and haters will be slow to acknowledge it and will continue for a long time to pretend the NHL and hockey are bigger. The truth will slowly impose itself, though, since soccer popularity is growing and growing, and as MLS expands more and more to additional cities and markets the difference will become even more important. The last step to finish crushing hockey and becoming a large and recognized 4th placed sport and league, is bigger profits and no salary cap so that athletes can earn as much money as NHL athletes do. Once soccer becomes profitable for athletes, the talent pool and the technical quality will improve, as more American youngsters will pick soccer for a professional career.
Which is, of course, as it should be You have to have a healthy interest in your OWN league before looking abroad, IMO. Which is not to say you can't have an interest in both, obviously.
Well big 4 means NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL. With soccer they have to go LIGAMX/EPL/MLS/FIFA. Soccer may be bigger than hockey, but in the USA/Canada the NHL is still bigger than a single soccer club league (well, Liga MX may beat NHL in TV ratings).
According to this 12.7 Million total for NHL. Makes sense since they do play 41 home games per team compared to 17 for MLS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Hockey_League_attendance_figures Edit: that was the short season after the strike/lockout. Normally the NHL gets over 20 million total. http://www.hockeyattendance.com/league/nhl/
Oh, OK, then. I did suspect that the 2 million figure had to be wrong. But again, with expansion and bigger stadiums MLS will eventually take over the NHL in total attendance.
Not any time soon realistically. Listed capacity on average in MLS is nearly 23,000. Right now that means a maxed out total attendance of 7,429,000 (yes, a few stadiums artificially limit capacity). It would need a stadium capacity MLS-wide of 39318 to match 12.7 million (with the 19 teams currently). Basically NFL-lite outdoor stadiums. Aint going to happen in the next 20 years given the relative youth of MLS stadiums. With expansion is gets a little easier, but not that much easier.
Sure, with 19 teams, but expansion does add not only more stadiums, but most importantly, more games, to increase total attendance. If the league expands eventually to 30 teams which matches the NHL, then the NHL's advantage will be almost over - they still play more games since unlike in soccer they play more than twice each opponent, but also, some soccer stadiums go way above the typical NHL arena capacity so one thing might offset the other, and some of the stadiums that artificially limit capacity by just not opening some of the stands when it's a soccer match, might start opening them if demand for tickets increase.
A 30 team league with a 34 game season would need to average 25,000 fans a game to match 12.8 million. But that was the total attendance for the strike-shortened 2012-2013 season. Last season the total attendance was 21.7 million (about 21.2 million excluding the stadium games), which is higher than all other leagues except MLB and the Japanese baseball league. A 30 team MLS would need to average over 43,00 fans per game to match that, which is a higher average than the Bundesliga. The current 19 team MLS would need to average over 67,000 to match that, which is roughly what the NFL averages. The NFL's total attendance (17 million) is a more realistic target, though even that is a long ways off.
Bummer. So in one stat, MLS will not break into the top 4. Maybe we should, then, start advocating for the expression to change to top 5.
NFL total attendance in around 17 million. Why should total attendance be the arbiter of popularity? Baseball's 162 games does not make it more popular, it makes it more scheduled.
Like I said, in popularity soccer is already clearly #4, but in economic size of the league, it is #5.
by what metric has mls surpassed hockey? the nhl has higher total tv ratings, revenue, total attendance, higher sponsorship, and relevance than anything mls has to offer? stop posting ignorant points!
even the total revenue of ALL soccer related revenue (epl, mls, la liga, usmnt, etc) does not come close to what the the nhl brings in annually.