REAL MADRID vs REAL VALLADOLID | La Liga Day 2 | 24.08.2019 | 19:00 CET

Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by Eddie, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    Actually this is untrue. With James and Isco on the pitch we have more presence upfront which means much more balanced role of Marcelo and co., and with it less gung-ho offense which completely exposes you at turn-overs and fast-break attacks.
     
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  2. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    That is true. I am just saying that on the counter those three are too slow to track back.
    IMO playing James and Isco is overkill.. in modern football.. you don’t need two 10s on the pitch at the same time because you lose a spot for a more dynamic B2B type of midfielder.
    Zidane is the coach and I guess he knows what he’s doing.
     
  3. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    Show me that situations in which they were to slow to track back. Besides, they are different type of AM. They can work given proper tactical layout. In short, it really depends on idea and implementation. Dynamic B2B - which we don`t have is not prerequisite for success.

    For example, as i said Isco and James with double pivot gives as creativity and better defensive structure. Substantially more than 4-3-3 which completely exposes us. I would send Kroos and Modrić on vacation, buy that Roca dude and rock double pivot with Casemiro. Then we could probably even afford Hazard playing as LM.
     
  4. robertocarlos3

    robertocarlos3 Member+

    Jan 9, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    It's brilliant when you have the right players. We dont.
     
  5. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    The team played well structured football in the first half. They didn't get a sniff of the ball, barely got into our half. We had lots of chances, but we overpassed at times. The subs just killed the flow. We went into desperation mode way too quickly, we ended up creating less chances than we were, and we just broke down as a team. The goal wasn't actually the product of a well constructed attack but rather a moment of brilliance by an individual.
     
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  6. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    One more thing to point out, in that first half how many of James vertical runs into the box were ignored by Isco, Kroos, Marcelo, Carvajal and co?

    It was only Benzema who would play him into the box.


    The irony is people demand Donny VdB but our own players won't even play the passes with a superior player they respect more in James.

    Has nothing to do with how they were instructed to play. They just refused to make the pass. At one point James was holding hands up like "wtf man?".



    If not for Carvajal's dumb ass we'd have went into halftime easily up 2-0. While Kroos and Courtois screwed up late, they were good (Well Kroos was) to that point.

    Carvajal was our only true shit player. Absolute trash performance.
     
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  7. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Dani has been poor for a while and I just hate the way we play in the final third, we literally look like we want to score against the corner flags, we occupy the width and spray passes side to side and treat the box like it's lit on fire and filled with landmines.
     
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  8. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    1165604897108234240 is not a valid tweet id


    Honestly, Valladolid could have won if not for Ramos last ditch defending on one occasion and poor finishing like Guardiola missing a sitter right after we scored. Unal was waiting behind him for an easier finish too.

    We never got clear cut chances like this as they were well organised.
     
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  9. RaMaaa

    RaMaaa Member+

    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Even more awful.. so what they are doing on training ground? how its possible to have zero defensive shape.
     
  10. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Nothing better then a still shot taken out of context.

    Those are even worse than statistics.

    It is amazing people aren't smart enough to see not one of those agenda driven photos are from the first half. Not one are before desperation set in and we began attempting to chase a goal.


    I wonder if people actually understand what they are watching.... or at lesst understand if you're pressing forward to score and lose the ball you're naturally caught off guard and out of position.

    Just like this.

    It's literally mind numbing how people think we can chase the match attempting to score a goal against Valladolid who was defending for their lives and magically not give up counters from time to time when we purposely left ourselves exposed.


    The irony is had Zidane been more conservative and we had not scored the same people would be melting down about us having no urgency and Zidane being too scared to gamble to win it all.

    It is odd how many literally don't understand things at all. I use to hate talking American Football because of this, but I thought it was simply due to my experience playing versus the inexperience of the common man. I have never played futbol in high school, college or professional but damn I can at least understand those basics.
     
  11. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Problem is not charging forward

    It's kroos carelessly giving the ball away.


    But those passing stats bro!
     
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  12. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    He doesn't give that ball away the narrative is how we fought to win a match we'd have lost last year.

    People would be praising James, Benzema, Ramos, Bale and others performances instead of shitting on the team like we sucked.

    Just shows how flimsy people are. Ironic the same ones will be complaining about social media and others having zero attention span and needing immediate gratification when they are just as bad.
     
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  13. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    We were naive even after scoring. Vinicius gave away the ball at the edge of our own area with unnecessary pass, but we luckily got away with it. Guardiola chance they missed also came right after our goal. Even Ramos admitted we got complacent looking for the second goal. Can't expose both FBs so far up the pitch against a first division team when their mentality changed to score now as they needed a draw at 1-0.
     
  14. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    You guys are miserably nitpicking.
     
  15. yoanaidarov

    yoanaidarov Member+

    Real Madrid
    Bulgaria
    Sep 29, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Bulgaria
    Saw this on Reddit. Our current formation. :ROFLMAO: 871D7328-CF81-476D-945C-DC0679F96611.jpeg
     
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  16. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Except it's more emphasis around the corner flags and Benzema sometimes dropping into center midfield.
     
  17. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    It was 4141.. but it looked more like
    1-2-7
     
  18. sneakking

    sneakking Member+

    Sep 11, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I used to adjust the formation like this in winning eleven

    worked great in the video game....in real life, not so much
     
  19. libertao

    libertao Member+

    Mar 15, 2006
    I don't understand the big deal with this pic, looks like the right decision to me. Varane is the one goal-side and clearly should be covering the far-post run, otherwise what is Varane even doing? Carvajal would not be able to cover it in time anyway. Meanwhile Casemiro needs to cover the run down the right wing since Marcelo is completely beaten, which means the player running into the center, left of the ball is about to be completely unmarked. And if that were not reason enough, one second later Ramos is beaten:

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    Varane or Courtois should clean that up, or more glaringly -- we should be able to put more than a single goal past Valladolid. Barcelona let in two goals, but obviously no one is talking about their defensive frailty because they racked up 5 goals on the other side.
     
  20. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    #620 janos audron, Aug 27, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2019
    The big deal is that both Ramos and Carvajal made massive positional / movement error, which lead to goal.

    As seen in video, Casemiro was better positioned to close the center and possibly tackle ball carrying mid. Ramos should have continued his run towards the box and keep and eye for that RW until Marcelo manages to come back. While Carvajal should have continued sprint towards left winger which would allow Varane to take more central position and cover central part of the box; instead of cutting to the right and leaving Varane completely exposed with tons of space behind and in front.

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    With this in mind, at worst you have 4v4 situation and with better space coverage, while in happened scenario you have 2v3 situation with tons of exposed space.
     

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