REAL BETIS vs REAL MADRID | La Liga Jornada #26 | 01.03.25 | 18:30 CET

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  1. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    We’ll know why he is being benched on the UCL game.

    If Carlo starts Alaba at CB, Fede or LV at RB, we know whats up. Because resting Asencio doesn’t really make sense, when it should have been Rudiger.
     
  2. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Tchou is definitely guilty of this, you see a clear pass and then 1, 2 then 3 touches and then release the ball. It has to be better. Jr too, but Jr is being flamboyant, with Tchou, I really don't understand what happened to his confidence.
     
  3. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That's why Carlo is trying to shoehorn the Temu/Wish version of Kroos: Ceballos.
     
  4. lecannois

    lecannois Red Card

    Real Madrid
    France
    Jul 6, 2023
    Well he was supposed to become the key player for Madrid under the (brief) Lopetegui era. We were looking to move to a more possession style game. He didn't step up, Lopetegui got fired. Solari was a disaster and Zidane v2 came back. Zidane's tactics do not fit Isco... he lost his position as a regular and the descent began. Got out of shape followed by injuries. Lost his way.

    He disappeared for a bit until Pelle picked him up at Betis. Good for him. Happy to see him do well. Supremely talented footballer that brings pleasure to fans.
     
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  5. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    Georgia
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Carlo played Alaba because he wanted him to get minutes before he started him vs Atletico.

    He did the same thing benching an in-form Asencio for Tchou during the Super Cup. He did decent against Mallorca and then abused vs Barca. Carlo had to go back to Asencio after that.

    He really doesn't want to play Raul if he has choices and its apparent at this point. Problem is Alaba isn't the answer and Rudiger is now seemingly wearing down a bit.
     
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  6. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    Bad thing about this result is Madrid most likely would need help from other teams to take off points Barca and Atleti.
     
  7. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    Carlos team selection was the issue.

    What he’s doing to Cama and Ascensio is beyond words. Three is nothing they can do to get themselves out of the dog house.

    I predicted his loyalty to Alaba would cost us points. I was correct unfortunately.

    To no one’s surprise Tchoumeni was absolutely awful yesterday. He was worthless with the ball and was asleep on tracking the run for the pen. Yet, he starts and gets 90 no matter what. He’s been bad all season.

    Same for LV. He simply shouldn’t be playing.

    He starts Diaz in MF? No Cama?

    Takes off Mbappe who’s had a better run of form to keep Vinny on who was clearly losing his mind ( should have sent off) and giving the ball away?

    Carlo. He’s done so much for the club, but you can’t help but look back and see how much we’ve succeeded despite his choices. He cuts me as a stubborn old man who’s let the squad implode and is clinging to an idea expecting different results with certain players.
     
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  8. Dr. MvN

    Dr. MvN Member+

    Real Madrid
    United States
    Oct 22, 2018
    Estados Unidos
    We're only 23/42 points away from home this year. We've cooked ourselves. This team has given up on La Liga and, with this pathetic attitude, it would serve them right for Atleti to eliminate them in the UCL too. Maybe being out of Europe would force them back into caring about the league before it's too late.
     
  9. Doni

    Doni Member+

    Dec 4, 2010
    London
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Betis’ second goal doesn’t happen with Asencio on the field yesterday. Simple as that.
     
  10. Ssr9

    Ssr9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Nov 10, 2008
    Sydney
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Mali
    fair enough....not enough desire shown. Probably a bit fed up.....but yes not professional enough. gotta fight.
     
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  11. saadomar

    saadomar Member+

    Real Madrid
    Mar 21, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Betis's 2nd goal was conceded by Rudiger, not Tchou nor Alaba. Those would've been his replacements. With Rudi back from injury, his cohorts playing this poorly, and him racking up so many minutes it was a matter of time before he matched their levels of buffoonery. Normally Rudi is the least of our problems in that defense.
     
  12. Seoul Villan

    Seoul Villan Member+

    Feb 16, 2011
    Why do you think Rudiger conceded the penalty? Watch the replay. Tchoumeni stopped tracking the run for some unknown reason and Alaba was way out of position. Rudiger tried to cover both players and made the bad tackle.

    Football isn’t reduced to one act in a vaccum.
     
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  13. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    He was the same after joining Sevilla. Fat and lazy. Then they got rid of him and mid season move to Union Berlin also collapsed. Isco got serious again when career hit rick bottom. 2018-2023 he didn't bother at all.
     
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  14. Digital

    Digital Member+

    Dec 10, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    when he takes mins from others to give to these guys do the others lose "match sensitivity " too, what's the magic number of mins at which point "match sensitivity" is lost? how is this vague concept arrived at
    another gem....that's ok they are in good company, they join the list of players "enslaved" by their coaches at big teams all playing the same many many games as more and more comps are added, Haaland, Rodri when fit, Bernardo Silva, VVD, TAA, Salah, Raphina this season, Lewa, Yamal, Kane and on and on, yes, coaches leave their best players on the bench often, rotating, so that they are not enslaved, some team should hire you seeing that you can pull this off and win consistently,.....meh
     
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  15. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    You are completely clueless, aren't you?
    Go look up the stats, maybe only 2 or 3 outfield players have more minutes than Fede Valverde this season for both club and country, and I guarantee you none of them has a greater workload than him on the pitch.
    So he has to play 90+ minutes for his club, go play another 90+ minutes for his country, then again play 90+ minutes for his club as soon as he comes back, rinse and repeat.
    And what's worse, he can't even get a full rest even against a 4th division side.
     
  16. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Lucas Vazquez was the starting RIGHT BACK in all Real Madrid LOSSES this season in all competitions except one game vs Lille. (7L 5D)
     
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  17. arcane

    arcane Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    Philippines
    #367 arcane, Mar 2, 2025
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2025
    I quickly checked this for La Liga. Fede is definately up there. And most of those, if not all above him are either goalkeepers or don't play in Europe. Plus Fede has supercup minutes under his belt. Mbappe is also on a lot of minutes.
     
  18. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    I saw it on Transfermarkt 2 weeks ago, the only outfield players with more minutes than Fede for club and country were VVD and Moises Caicedo.
    The other 3 were goalkeepers.
     
  19. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Worse he's been out backup RB for 3 seasons now? We've quite a few RBs with potential from the cantera because the club has been getting away with problematic planning for a very long time.
     
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  20. Forcamadrid2

    Forcamadrid2 Member

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 13, 2017
    While I agree that it was Rudi's fault, you have to look at things in context. If asenscio had started instead of Alaba, it would have been most likely him on that side, and he is much faster than Rudi. Most likely that penalty would not have happened. Ofc this is what if, but for sure it was a mistake to start Alaba over Asencio in this match.
     
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  21. ImadEdd

    ImadEdd Member+

    Real Madrid
    Morocco
    Feb 17, 2019
    I think we got the solution to Vazquez poor defensive performances. Alaba seems to like that position.

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  22. Halycon

    Halycon Member+

    Aug 24, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Injuries forced Carlo making some good decisions. Now it’s back to Lucas starter RB, Asencio bench, Alaba CB.
     
  23. Xourtois

    Xourtois Member

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 25, 2024

    Why is Tchoumeni not keeping up with the runner who got the penalty ?

    He should have seen the danger and kept up with the player. This is why I am not sold on Tchoumeni. He is too slow to cover for us during transitions, Casemiro would have handled this one easily.
     
  24. boeder

    boeder Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Remember, Alaba was the LCB

    It was Brahim who was supposedly occupying the position in front of Vasquez with Fede out but it was clear he had no idea what to do – perhaps it was the language barrier with Carlo?

    Alaba failed, his chaotic positioning has been a thorn in the defense's backside for years, be it as the opponent transitions, counters or takes corners.

    Vasquez and Alaba + unfit Rudiger is a recipe made in hell.

    There is a reason why Betis targeted Vasquez's side more than 9 times in the first half alone. Alaba was a headless chicken at LCB and Brahim had no idea how to cover for Vasquez. Vasquez is just a mofo, no tactical commentary necessary on him.

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  25. boeder

    boeder Member+

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The positive in all this is that Mendy got his first assist/goal contribution in nearly 3 seasons.

    He gets too much sh!t. I'd give another contract renewal and double his salary.
     

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