Reading took a run at Jozy

First post.

Would have been interesting. He would have gotten the WP based on the talent thing methinks. I'm glad this didn't go through though. He needs more time in MLS, but he'll be ready this summer.

By the way: this kid always says the right stuff. Well done to him.

 

I'm glad this didn't go through. Another half to full season in MLS, then to a bigger club than Reading (but not too big) like Benfica, Marseille, etc. would be fine with me.

EDIT: Note I'm saying it would be nice to see him go to a club the size of a Benfica, Marseille, etc. Not that those specific clubs would be ideal destinations.

 

Wonder what scuppered the deal?

Was it MLS wanting more, Reading not having the money, Jozy not wanting to go, Red Bulls just refusing to sell...

And, the work permit situation would have been very interesting to watch. If Jozy ain't a special talent, I don't know what is. But that's still no guarantee he gets a WP.

 

It says Reading couldn't sell a player they were wishing to sell...meaning they would have had the space and cash to bring in Jozy.

 

Whatever it was Jozy is extremely lucky. It had Feiilhaber-Derby V.2 written all over that.

 

Reading would not have been the best choice...

 

That's what it implies, but we don't know if that's actually the case or if that's all there was to it.

The bigger issue, IMO, is that Jozy was more than willing to go if it had gone through. Despite him saying the right things, he's looking to leave MLS the first time he gets a good offer/situatuion.

Add Guzan, Edu and Bornstein to the list of players looking to leave and when the roster for the 2010 WC is announced, Landon might be the only MLS player on it,

 

I've thought that for awhile.

But even he has some level of Euro experience.

 

Add Parkhurst to that list. I think we will see a LOT more young players play out their contract and not renogiate if they have a sniff of Nat team time. And that doesn't mean they are hoping for EPL or Bundesliga - it could just mean the payday from a mid tier team.

 

He should go anywhere but England.

 

I think it has very little to do with getting a "sniff" with the national team. it's the money. period. why we try to make it out like these guys are saints and are in it for the love of country and would do it for nothing ....... well, it's simply beyond me. There is nothing wrong with making a decision on where to play based upon the monetary returns on a career that will generally be a short one.

 

agreed

 

Reading plays pretty attractive attacking soccer and he would get plenty of chances to finish, IMO.

Learning from a first class forward like Coppell could not hurt either....

WP would have been the problem, IMO.

 

Really? I'd be quite happy with Jozy at Manchester City, Everton, Blackburn, Aston Villa, etc. He's a few years away from big 4 status, but I would be happy to see him on UEFA-level EPL clubs. Contrary to the popular BS opinion, those clubs don't play ************ football.

He's head to EPL guys, just prepare for it. He may transfer to a mid-level league first, but his eventual destination is EPL. He's a prototypical EPL forward, quick, good with the ball at feet, strong in the air and tall, and most importantly, he speaks English (not Spanish or Italian).

Quite frankly, I don't think the Italian league is in a good place right now. Just take a look at fan attendence. The league will soon find itself unable to compete with Spain, England, and IMO, Germany. I believe Bundesliga will soon over-take Italy as a top 3 league. Italy's economy is just utter shit, as smaller clubs in England and Spain snatch up foreign talent, Italy's small clubs are going to find it increasingly difficult to compete. I honestly think Serie A will become similar to Holland & Portugal. Huge clubs at the top with the ability to compete for some big player signings, but a clear gulf in class from top to bottom.

That gulf remains in EPL, but as more clubs find themselves under foreign ownership that gulf is shrinking. A club like Aston Villa is very promising for the future, and I'd love to see Jozy playing with Agbonglahor (sp) and Young.

 

I just have an issue with English coaches... of course going to a Big 2 club plus Pool and Villa would be good (no Chelsea) but I dont think other clubs are focused on development, and are more concerned about survival...

and most of the clubs outside of 6 clubs play wack football... those matches are unwatchable

I dont understand the point of talking about crowd attendance when we ware discussing the style of play... clubs in Italy would be good for him... and Italy crowds have always been low

 

Reading would be a great club for Jozy (in the future). He would get chances to play.

 

I agree, it is about the money. All I meant is if a player has gotten some Nat time(whether senior or youth), it helps open those doors, and thus I bet they will hold off renogiating more given the players shipping out to mid-tier leagues for great money. If they are a bread and butter MLS journeyman player, they might be more inclined to re-up their MLS deal. Or maybe not - it does completely depend on the player and what they are after.

And I have no issue with the players going for the ka-ching.

 

You're joking right?

Secondly... England isn't the best place for young talents unless it's the top four. Those clubs may not play shyt football but their development of young players as of the last 5 years is lacking.

Getting playing time is only one part of the equation. If getting time is an issue just stay in MLS. He will have to sit the bench. Look at the other yanks. Bradley, Adu, Szetela, Dempsey...all started on the bench. Freddy hasn't had that much time but he looks like a different player.

 

Reading's playing is usually less attractive this season and is likely to get more conservative now that they are truly in a relegation battle. However, their real problem this season has been keeping the ball out of their own net.

Playing time could have been an issue with Kitson/Doyle firmly at the top (although Doyle hasn't been scoring and could be unseated), Long well-liked (but not seeing that many minutes) and Lita (out of favor and not getting significant playing time). Jozy would have had competition, but the best players overcome that.

Coppell spent his playing career on the right wing.

 

Maybe their development of young american players is lacking but clubs other than the top 4 have developed good young players. Former West Ham players populate the top 4, Newcastle has James Milner, who looked very good with Englands U21s yesterday, Aston Villa is a very young team, Tottenham has a number of good young players, Aaron Lennon being the most notable. Wheater at Middlesbrough, Bentley at Blackburn. Walcott was developed by Southhampton and bought by Arsenal. With a little research I'm sure I could name quite a few more.

There is a stereotype about English football, that isn't necessarily valid anymore. Certainly, a number of teams in the bottom third of the table resort to Route 1 football, but if you watched England's U21s v Ireland yesterday, the ball was on the ground a lot. There were very few long balls played over the top to the forwards.

 

Again, Aston Villa. They've done very well with Young and Agbonlahor. Everton has done well with Arteta, I think Anichebe is coming along nicely as well. I could go on, Blackburn has done pretty well with young players as well.

I would LOVE Jozy as Villa, O'Neill is a top class manager and they play pretty flowing football most of the time.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I'm just saying Italy isn't really a viable option in my mind, as I don't think he's ready for Inter, Roma, AC or Juve, and apart from those four I think Serie A is going to struggle as football becomes more global and their home-support woes continue. Spain and England are far more universal (as in big money foreign TV), and there's more money in Germany due to fantastic fan support. The smaller clubs in England are becoming (and will continue to do so with foreign $$$) better, they're players in transfer signing now. This is why you have clubs breaking the bank for transfer fees.

I think playing at a mid-table club in Spain or England, even a low table club (just look at Vela and Guardado, they're on relegation strugglers but have done very well for themselves), is a better option than Italy. I'd rather Jozy play for Reading or Osuansa than Fiorentina or Torino. That's what I'm saying, just because EPL and La Liga are starting to seperate themselves (from top to bottom) from Serie A.

Ultimately, I'm just saying Jozy will be in England, and language does have a large part to do with it. He may head to Benfica or a similar level club for a bit, but he will be playing in the EPL by 2011. Too much money, and basically no culture shock.

I'd prefer Jozy in Spain, but he'll develop just fine in England, if he plays.

 

ud rather Jozy play for Osasuna than Fiorentina? are u serious?

u keep citing Aston Villa... and they are one example... but most of those clubs dont need to develop a Jozy right now... u can say West Ham, and I will agree but those guys went through the academy first... Jozy is going to the first team... and what young players have Blackburn done well with? Bentley was a finished product... Gamst Pedersen is one example tho... Jason Roberts has been super inconsistent..

its not that the premiership clubs only play unattractive football... they dont develop anyone... any player that shows potential is bought up by the big 4... they bench guys for no reason (see Convey)... and I just dont think English coaching is that good...

 

This is a guy that's being followed by Real Madrid, and you guys want him to play for EPL relegation fodder. I don't understand.

 

The operative word in your post is, indeed, "play." If I had a choice I probably wouldn't have Jozy in England, but I'd much rather he go to a team that will play him (be it in England or elsewhere) rather than to a team full of stars where he might play, one day, maybe...