RBNY Signs Tim Cahill, Everton Legend

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by gears, Jul 23, 2012.

  1. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are Lindpere for Shea rumors?
     
  2. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    there are now.
     
  3. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Wasn't me that started it - some announcers on Telefutura apparently. If I were going to make a rumor up I'd start with Keane and Donovan for Marquez and Ballouchy.
     
  4. deekay

    deekay Member

    Feb 4, 2000
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    A no-brainer for both sides.

    What's that? Of course my club affiliation has ZERO to do with the above analysis. Duh.
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Doesn't make any sense anyway.
    Somehow I think that rumor is utter nonsense.

    Was that before or after FCD traded for de Guzman?

    What FCD needs is forward help. After Blas Perez, they're not getting any production.

    As far as the Cahill signing, we'll just have to wait and see. He hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire at Everton, which is why they dumped him. Sure, they love him.............he just wasn't producing.
     
  6. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I love Cahill as a player, but I'm really trying to see how he fits in. He's more of a false 10 than anything, which would mean that a 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1 would suit his capabilities the best, but are they really going to bench Cooper or make Henry play on the left where he would have to work hard defensively?

    I suppose a 4-3-1-2 could work, but the other 3 midfielders (preferably all central midfielders) would have to be careful when getting forward so as to not make the team too unbalanced.
     
  7. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's about very short term on the field considerations that will have little effect on the underlying value of the franchise involved.

    A team from New York should be able to churn a couple Tim Cahill caliber players out of their academy every five years if they would do the work to get it done. Instead they spend money they could have used on such a project on Tim Cahill and give him a spot on the field that could go to a younger player. It's a waste.
     
  8. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    But trying to win now is better from a soccer fan perspective than a guy like Ronaldinho who is about pandering to a group and who might not give a crap. This guy is in the Novak character mold - solid citizen who will work his tail off and improve the play on the field. We may be lagging behind countries like Australia in our talent spotting and development, but isn't Cahill an Aussie Dempsey? Not exactly a dime a dozen player.

    Red Bull does have Academy players contributing but this franchise first and foremost needs to win now, while continuing to improve their youth setup. I'll take guys character guys like Cahill over "stars" like Marquez every day of the week + Sunday.

    Winning may not solve everything, but it can cure an awful lot.
     
  9. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Fantasyland
    I think just about every academy in the world save maybe Barca, would be happy to churn out 2 Tim Cahills every 5 years.

    As Knight says, this is about today. This is the equivalent of buying pitching help in July or August to make a pennant push. If you know of an academy that not only produces Tim Cahills in abundance, but can also time when to spit them out....I'd like to be a part of it.
     
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  10. Haig

    Haig Member+

    May 14, 2000
    METROSTARS
    Club:
    --other--
    Concern trolling, Big Soccer style.
     
  11. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, you'd think a more plausible rumor would be Cooper for Shea. The Red Bulls now have an abundance of forwards and Dallas needs one. Cooper had a lot of success in Dallas as well. Meanwhile, the Red Bulls are starting a forward (Le Toux) at RW. From what I've seen of Shea, he usually starts on the left but often switches to the right, so it's a role he could fill. Also the players' ages and salaries line up better than with Lindpere.

    I'm not advocating for such a trade, mind you. Just saying.

    The Red Bulls have produced Agudelo and Lade in the past 5 years. May not be much, but it's more than most. And I don't think anyone really thinks the problem with our academy is a lack of resources. They got stellar marks in that area when rated by the USSF. They're also considering starting a residential academy. The Red Bulls just won the U16 DA title, with a team that featured 7 players that have played for US youth national teams. Point is, devoting resources to the academy and signing expensive DPs isn't an "either/or" situation with the Red Bulls.

    I also think your expectations on what an academy should produce are exceedingly high. Even though I just talked about having a talented class coming up, if they produced 2 Cahill level talents from that I'd be ecstatic. You're basically asking the team to produce national team regulars on a consistent basis.
     
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  12. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think yours are exceedingly low. The Red Bulls should have one of the most productive academies in the world. That should be the goal.
     
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  13. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How good do you think Cahill is (or 'was' to be more accurate)? He's not exactly a world superstar.
     
  14. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think he was ever quite that good as Dempsey. Even so that type of player might not be a dime a dozen for us, but it is for others. For example, Kevin Davies has one cap for England.
     
  15. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Current expectations will not align with future goals, imo.

    How long has NYRB (or anyone in MLS) had an academy system in place?

    What other sports could/would local NY/NJ area kids (future athletes) pursue instead of soccer? The (short-term especially) possibilities of MLS (and its clubs) being able to do anything that ranks among "the most productive ... in the world" seems like a non-contextualized viewpoint.
     
  16. RfrancisR

    RfrancisR Member+

    Aug 7, 2006
    New Orleans Diaspora
    Brian McBride, Clint Dempsey?
     
  17. lerxst

    lerxst Member

    May 23, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    As a Toffee supporter, I'm going to miss him dearly. But my blood runs TFC red first and foremost, so here's hoping he flounders when he plays against us. Otherwise, Toffee legend.
     
  18. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Fantasyland
    I guess I wasn't expecting a world superstar to come out of your academy every 2.5 years. Thats even better. :geek:
     
  19. #1 Feilhaber and Adu

    Aug 1, 2007

    The World Loves Ronaldinho. Bring Ronaldinho, Bring the World.
     
  20. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    If McCarty replaces Marquez, Lade goes back to fullback with Lindpere in his LM slot, and Cahill and Henry experiment until we find out which one is more useful further forward, then I think you'd have something.
     
  21. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Ronaldinho has Marquez X5 written all over him. He's the virtual poster boy of unmotivated, often injured, often unfit players who demand a king's ransom, money that I for one would much rather the league spend on some good coaches (hey, Brazilian coaches, even) to develop the homegrowns than a player like him.

    But if the debate is more Ronaldinho vs Tim Cahill (instead of big name DP vs top-notch academy coaching), then I'd vote Tim Cahill every day and twice on Sunday.
     
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  22. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nor am I. But a Tim Cahill? Sure, why not? There's a fair amount of academies that do (Ajax and Boca clear that bar pretty easily) , and most would kill to have a city the size of New York essentially to themselves.

    I think folks don't realize the raw resources the Red Bulls have at their disposal. Sure getting from point A to point B isn't easy, but half-assing it and blocking playing time openings with past their prime non-superstars and paying a considerable chunk of change for the privilege only impedes that progress.
     
  23. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As would I. But Ronaldinho (like Beckham) would at least have the chance to bring in additional revenue to help justify what he costs. Cahill won't do anything but possibly help the Red Bulls win (and then possibly not). And I think the money (and minutes) spent to that end on Cahill is definitely much better spent on youth development.
     
  24. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The answer to this question, of course, is a decade less than it damned well should have been.
     
  25. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    IMO, for about a month. I have my doubts that Ronaldinho would be moving the needle all that much. I mean it's not like he's recently over the hill. He's been (prematurely) past it for quite some time now. And the immigrant fans that know Ronaldinho and don't particularly support MLS are well aware of this.
     
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