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Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by lr3forme, Sep 27, 2011.
Is he in a situation similar to Fagundez?
What situation would that be?
A slim to none chance of ever suiting up for the U.S.
Correct. I'd guess even slimmer than Fagundez...................
So if you're asking whether he's a Yank Abroad...........the answer is no. He's a Mexican abroad.
Plus Cody and Anton share the same agent(or rather work with guys from the same agency) and the main reason they got their trials with Everton were due to the connections of the agency founder with Everton and Moyes.
Moyes trusts(trusted) anyone recommended by the agent and tbh it's the same agent that initially recommend Stu Holden to Moyes and got him the chance to train with Everton when the Toffees made their first trip to Texas(Houston) a few years back.
His old coach said there were three people working on his citizenship. Whether that is a lie or an exaggeration, misleading or inaccurate....it's a quote from a source.
Glean from it what you will, but this has more weight that anything we on BS bandy about.
City keep a very small amount of players between 16-18. If they're signed, they will play with the EDS who play often and now are apart of NextGen. Mancini also caps players from the youth team often. This is a great move. Is there any chance at all he'll be a US citizen?
While he is trying to obtain US Citizenship, playing in Europe is going to put a serious delay on those efforts.
Here is my two cents and since nobody has commented....the kid was interviewed yesterday by Raza Deportiva (ESPN radio show) and more specifically big Mexican journalist Faitelson...
1. Of what I understood it seems and I believe its not a done deal but he'll get a definite answer he said in about month but the fact that they have been following him and they are flying him out there he said his 'agents' assured him its a done deal
2. They have been following him since a year ago and the first time they saw him was when he played with his club in the Dallas Cup
3. They didn't ask him the forever question of what country would he chose but they straight out ask him why hasn't he been part of the US U-17 team or their programs. The kid said he tried out for the U-15 but wasn't selected. They asked him if it was Cabrera who made the decision and he said no that it wasn't him.
4. They ask him about school and he said he is strong in mathematics and is doing home school. Interesting thing when they starting asking him about this instead of soccer he was more expressive and more talkative. Just an interesting note.
5. His favorite team is Chivas of Guadalajara...
Wasn't selected for the U15's? Ha. I'd like to hear who made that call.
Maybe he didn't make the team because he wasn't, ya know, eligible for it.
If he wasn't eligible, why would he try out?
Why would three people be trying to get him his citizenship, if he was eligible?
Plenty of non-citizens are involved in our youth national teams, coughDiegoFagundezcough.
Well..........it says nothing of where he is in the citizenship process. Just that people are "working on it."
If he's just getting started.............he's a no-hoper. If he's close, he wouldn't need people "working on it" of course.
This kid is essentially just like Vedad Ibisevic and Rogelio Funes Mori. Not a Yank. And actually, not Abroad either..........seeing as he played for the Galaxy this past weekend.
Of course, not eligible to play for Man City either.......................because I can't fathom how he'd get a work permit. But that's a different issue, I guess. They could loan him out somewhere like Belgium until he gets Euro citizenship years from now. So he'll end up being a Belgian-Mexican dual-national playing in England. The one thing he won't be is American.
[I'm clearly in a bad mood today.]
Maybe he has spanish roots ala Omar Salgado?
There you have it fellas. Plus, I have from a credible source that he is NOT a surprise against Brazil next week.
The reason I posted this, after posting a previous article, is because of this argument. You can't compare him to Funes Mori because you simply don't know. I don't know either...but there are people close to the source with attributed quotes, that while vague, hint at another possibility. It's clear that there is a chance he could be close. Not saying he is...saying it is possible
...and if he's close, he absolutely could use people working on it. I know you've been a part of the horrible vortex of immigration debates on the YNT board, and one of the many things discussed is how long it takes to get citizenship even when eligible.
...I have made no arguments to this point toward a specific outcome. I've simply posted relevant information. You then attack actual information with cynical assumptions. I don't understand how that could possibly lead to a fruitful discussion. Saying "it's unlikely, as we've seen in the past, that he'll gain citizenship," is different than, "we'll this must be wrong because it might disagree with my fatalistic view of the USSF/society."
There are so many variations to this dilemma I think its important not to clump all of them into one pile. Illegal or not illegal Immigrants, part of the youngest USYNT camps, did they come as 4 yr old or did they come as a 14 yr old? Do they come from countries with a developed domestic league and national team? or Bulgaria, Liberia, or Congo. What was the reason for emmigrating? Famine, civil war with father being assasinated or economic prosperity, are any of there parents have US culture or intention to become citizens independent of soccer? What suprises me is Mendiola and Fagundez having been invited to US littles camps and that in no way incented or played a role in starting a process that takes many years then say things like 'I don't think they want me' or 'I wasn't selected'. Its intellectually dishonest. I realize it takes a long time but alot less time if you started the process 3 yrs ago when there was a relationship with US National Team programs.
There is also a significant role of parents in this process not related to soccer that we really haven't disected.
The main part of my rant was the following:
This is the Yanks Abroad forum.
Raul Mendiola is not:
A) A Yank
But hey.......knock yourselves out. What do I care? Perhaps my bad mood is waning.
Yeah, shouldn't this thread be in the Mexican forums?
If citizenship status' never changed I'd agree with you.
I feel your issue with this but we do know he's stated his wish to play for US
He has lived in this country for many years, he has earned back to back US Development Academy player of the year honors and we know its unlikely but the point of forums is do discuss the possibility of when he could possibly become a US citizen. He has a known history in this country so in the meantime I hope he stays in the forum under the auspices of possible Yank Hopefully not Abroad.
Another guy who unsurprisingly wants to live in a first world country yet play for Mexico. Unless Klinsmann pulls something out of his something, this is all good news for Mexico.
Because nobody can possibly feel ambivalent about a "first world country".
95% of people who live in third world countries would do anything to live in the US, Canada or Western Europe. Your implications are guilt-ist liberal and daft.