Rape/Sexual Assault Culture

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  1. minerva

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    #126 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    direct, personal experience.
     
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    #127 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    in other news, looking like Jameis Winston (FSU QB) will not be charged with sexual assault...
     
  3. puttputtfc

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    #128 puttputtfc, Dec 5, 2013
    Absolutely agree. There is always a stigma attached but many of these folks are not the scarred train wreck of humanity people think they are.
     
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    #129 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    try as we might, I don't think society will ever get to the point where sex will be looked upon as just another physical act - like washing your hands or something.
    sex will always be treated differently because it IS different.
     
  5. minerva

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    #130 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    you have about as much evidence (and probably less) to support this as I do that the majority of them are emotional wrecks.
     
  6. puttputtfc

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    #131 puttputtfc, Dec 5, 2013
    Just people I know. I imagine your evidence is the same.
     
  7. minerva

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    #132 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    I actually don't know any strippers or porn actors/actresses personally, so my knowledge is based on what I hear/read in the lamestream media.
     
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    #133 Auriaprottu, Dec 5, 2013
    You may be right- perception as reality is a SOB to overcome.

    But we make it different. Nobody's making a damn baby in porn. They're having fun. We've known for centuries, maybe even millennia that sex without procreation is a hell of a lot of fun. Maybe too much fun for the stodgydodgy policymakers and socioreligious leaders who look at their aging wives and know they ain't gonna be having that kind of fun in broad daylight anymore.
     
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    #134 puttputtfc, Dec 5, 2013
    Understand. The industry still attracts scarred folks and the end result is not always pretty. But there have been changes in the industry over the last 15 years that have made it more professional and less seedy.

    Yes, I do know folks who are still in/have retired from the industry.
     
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    #135 Auriaprottu, Dec 5, 2013
    Haven't kept up with it. I posted a while back somewhere on this site that I wanted more info on the accuser, but that didn't happen. What I did hear is that she described a guy who was a good half a foot shorter than Winston and had stringy hair. Don't know if there's any truth to that.
     
  11. minerva

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    #136 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    apparently there were pics of them being quite intimate with each other that night as well as text messages afterward with her telling him she loved and missed him. if true, that's not exactly the way a girl behaves with a guy who allegedly raped her.
    it is possible that she may have sex with more than one guy that night as well.
     
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  13. minerva

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    #138 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    I guess it can attract those people who think hey, I love having sex, why not do it and make money at it?
    it's an easy way to make money if you have what nature gave you, and you don't have to work very hard or have a ton of education
     
  14. minerva

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    #139 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    The complainant claimed that she had been drinking at a bar, got in to a cab, somehow ended up at an apartment with Winston and others, where the assault occurred.

    However, as Tomahawk Nation first reported Thursday morning, the victim's accounts to police, and to those interviewed by the police, were inconsistent. Additionally, according to sources, the victim's blood alcohol level was not consistent with heavy drinking, and multiple blood tests and toxicitiy screenings showed no presence of "date rape" drugs. http://www.tomahawknation.com/2013/12/5/5178816/jameis-winston-not-charged-espn-report
     
  15. JohnR

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    #140 JohnR, Dec 5, 2013
    Again -

    Phone sex
    Internet chat
    Stripper
    Escort
    Porn star
    Sugarbaby
    Cabana boy

    You could add cocktail waitress to that, if you like.

    Add those up, and that's a whole lot of young people monetizing their physical assets.
     
  16. minerva

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    #141 minerva, Dec 5, 2013
    yeah, no doubt. my ex always liked jobs that didn't require a whole lot of effort or education.
    she's currently a "spokes model" for a beverage company. I guess she just stands around, smiles, and asks people if they would like a free sample.
     
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  19. soccernutter

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    #144 soccernutter, Dec 5, 2013
    Your naivete is fairly substantial in this matter. I would agree that not all women who enter porn are sexually abused, but I also think is is probably a fairly substantial number who are. I base this on a few interviews I heard/read over time, a couple of books/articles I have come across, and then compare the views, including the way things are phrased, with girls I have worked with who are sexually abused versus those who are not. It is fairly amazing to see that those who have not been sexually abused view the issue of sex and relationships much more privately than those who have been abused.
     
  20. JohnR

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    #145 JohnR, Dec 5, 2013
    If and when somebody does a study and shows the rate of sexual abuse for porn stars, versus those people of similar backgrounds who have other occupations, then we'll have evidence. Otherwise, I'd suggest that the naivete lies in presuming.
     
  21. Potowmack

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    #146 Potowmack, Dec 5, 2013
    Do you honestly believe that the porn business, and the sex industry in general, attracts well-adjusted people who have tons of employment options in other fields?
     
  22. JohnR

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    #147 JohnR, Dec 6, 2013
    Do you honestly believe that homosexuals are not deviants who were molested as children?

    Look, I don't know. I do know that people make up shit all the time to explain why people who do things differently than them are ********ed up.
     
  23. minerva

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    #148 minerva, Dec 6, 2013
    I'm at work, so I can't really do the research, but I suspect there's already research out there, and certainly many individual accounts/stories that would point to strippers/porn actresses having been abused as children.
     
  24. JohnR

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    #149 JohnR, Dec 6, 2013
    I recall the research on homosexuality as a disease. Collecting anecdotes to prove a point that the person already "knew" before starting the work is not research.
     
  25. soccernutter

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    #150 soccernutter, Dec 6, 2013
    There are a few reports I've read that try and indicate that one way or the other and neither is conclusive. Part of the reason is that people in the industry don't want to talk about their backgrounds. And when they leave the industry, they are very difficult to locate.

    For the same reason that some are in porn, some are gay (both men and women).

    Yeah, I'd like to believe that the people who are in porn are well adjusted, or make decent decisions, but I don't believe that to be the case based on what I said above. And, again, I also believe it is not everybody.
     
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