After 17 matches played: CONCACAF: 3 wins, 1 tie, 1 loss, 2.00 ppg CONMEBOL: 4 wins, 1 tie, 2 losses, 1.86 ppg UEFA: 6 wins, 1 tie, 6 losses, 1.46 ppg CAF: 1 win, 1 tie, 3 losses, 0.80 ppg AFC: 0 wins, 2 ties, 2 losses, 0.50 ppg Head to Head: CONCACAF versus CONMEBOL: 1 win, 1 tie, 0 losses CONCACAF versus UEFA: 0 wins, 0 ties, 1 loss CONCACAF versus CAF: 2 wins, 0 ties, 0 losses CONCACAF versus AFC: 0 wins, 0 ties, 0 losses CONMEBOL versus CONCACAF: 0 wins, 1 tie, 1 loss CONMEBOL versus UEFA: 3 wins, 0 ties, 1 loss CONMEBOL versus CAF: 0 wins, 0 ties, 0 losses CONMEBOL versus AFC: 1 wins, 0 ties, 0 losses UEFA versus CONCACAF: 1 win, 0 ties, 0 losses UEFA versus CONMEBOL: 0 wins, 0 ties, 3 losses UEFA versus UEFA: 3 wins, 0 ties, 3 losses UEFA versus CAF: 1 win, 0 ties, 0 losses UEFA versus AFC: 1 win, 1 tie, 0 losses CAF versus CONCACAF: 0 wins, o ties, 2 losses CAF versus CONMEBOL: o wins, 0 ties, o losses CAF versus UEFA: 0 wins, 0 ties, 1 loss CAF versus AFC: 1 win, 1 tie, 0 losses AFC versus CONCACAF: 0 wins, o ties, o losses AFC versus CONMEBOL: o wins, 0 ties, 1 loss AFC versus UEFA: 0 wins, 1 tie, 0 losses AFC versus CAF: 0 wins, 1 tie, 1 loss
results within themselves shouldn't count, as always there will be one of them winning, inflating their overall winning stats. Head to Head means one in relation to another, not within itself And how would do you count ties ?, 2 ties, 1 for each of the teams (ridiculous) For UEFA overall results it's only 3 wins, 1 tie, 3 losses, 1.43 ppg
Indeed, although I think it's rather "deflating" instead of "inflating". Unless you think 2 draws or 1 win+1 loss would overall improve the expected UEFA performance (even the last WC was 15-9-9 for UEFA teams, and that was one of the the worst in the history for European teams)? Yeah, doesn't look too good on first sight. But weren't these expected results considering second string UEFA teams were matched up against the top three CONMEBOL teams in South America?
We should wait until at least the group stage is over before looking at how the various confederations have done. This is totally premature.
whenever there is a victory among 2 UEFA teams, has the effect of getting its ppg closer to 1,5 ppg, so when the overall results are below this figure (as it stands at present times in this WC), it has the inflating effect rising a little bit its winning record, getting it closer to 1,5 ppg. The negative effect would happen whenever a draw takes place between UEFA teams, as the draws give always 1 ppg for each UEFA contender, so it tends the make the overall results be closer to 1 ppg (deflating effect if its overall results are higher than 1 ppg) Till now, nothing unexpected has happened between UEFA and CONMEBOL when it gets to seeded teams. Completely agree.
Grant Wahl has a nice summary: Grant Wahl @GrantWahl 59m Percentage of possible World Cup points won vs other confederations so far: CONCACAF 67% CONMEBOL 62% UEFA 48% CAF 27% AFC 17%
Huge day for CONMEBOL with two big wins. UEFA with a loss and a tie. AFC still winless. CAF still hapless. Confed---------W---L---T--PPG--PCT_PTS CONMEBOL---7---2---1---2.20-----73% CONCACAF----3---1---1---2.00-----67% UEFA-----------8---8---2---1.4------48% CAF-------------1---5---1---0.57-----19% AFC-------------0---3---3---0.50----17% Total----------------------------------47%
European teams falling like cards against Rest of the world teams. Italy was defeated now, by Costa Rica (England joins Spain in flight back home)
The idea of Europe getting another slot to the detriment of another region is laughable. If you ever wanted proof that FIFA is more about the money than the football, there it is. Half of the European team at this cup look like they really don't want to be there in the first place.
European teams are only dominant in European World Cups. Outside of Europe, there are always elite teams, but nothing genuinely special aside from the usual 3-4 brilliant sides. The 94, 2002 and 2010 World Cups offer further proof to this.
It's shameful that teams like Switzerland get seeded, pushing teams like Costa Rica into unnavigable situations. It's nothing more than European class systems translated into the football world.
If FIFA insists on using FIFA ranking for seeding, they need to change or eliminate the confed multipliers. Costa Rica is getting fewer points for beating Italy and Uruguay then England would have gotten with the exact same results. Travesty. With the current system is it virtually impossible for a NON Euro/SA team to be seeded. Perhaps Africa, Asia, and Concacaf, for all of their corruption, could actually pool their influence and do something to address this injustice, instead of/in addition to just pocketing bribes.
CONCACAF is doing great, im shocked im very impressed by Costa Rica Im also very impressed by CONMEBOLs Chile and Colombia
But such plans don't exist, do they? FIFA want to expand the World Cup to 40 teams and give the majority of the new slots to Africa and Asia. This was proposed by both Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini. The idea of the World Cup is not to be a competition for only the best teams in the world but to be FIFAs main tool in spreading the sport, give countries and regions a chance to improve through participation and have the whole world come together and share the experience. Clearly that is the path they have followed for a while now; most changes in the last few decades have been done to benefit AFC, CAF and CONCACAF.
The '94 World Cup doesn't fit in. In the round of 16 all the European teams facing other conferences won their games, 7 of 8 teams in the quarter-finals were UEFA teams, including smaller nations like Sweden, Romania and Bulgaria. In 2010 the UEFA teams only played against eachother in the round of 16 so they couldn't possibly get more teams through than they did. None of them lost to non-UEFA teams in the later rounds though.
Yes, and that's how they want it. It allows them to stack the deck in the Euro's favor for the most part.
They stack the deck so that teams from different conferences meet in the group stage. It's the World Cup after all and they want the the groups to have as much geographic seperation as possible. Is everything a conspiracy to you?
If that was the case they would seed by how they finished qualification in their own regions. It's easy to label something a conspiracy. You can label anything a conspiracy. The reality of the thing is that this is tilted toward Europe. That's where the business is. That is changing, however.
I wish the people who dream up conspiracies had the proper tools to analyze if their conspiracies make sense. So let's say USA was seeded at the expense of Germany for simplicity sake. So the group would be USA Germany Portugal and Ghana. Yes you are right waay different. It's still a geographical thing. We only have 8 seeds based of FIFA ranking, the rest are geographical anyway. What FIFA did was wrong was making Belgium, Switzerland and Colombia seeds. Even so if France was seeded and Switzerland wasn't the group was still possible Another thing if you don't believe those teams shouldn't be seeds why do you care if you are better than them?
No your analysis is too simple. If a CONCACAF team was seeded then the pots might change. Maybe the remaining CONCACAF teams wouldn't be stuck in the same pot with the poor performing AFC. It would be nice to have the extra CONMEBOL teams in the pot with CONCACAF instead. Would you rather face Chile or Iran?
While I agree the FIFA ranking is far from perfect it is based on performance; why should teams that don't perform be rewarded instead of those that have gotten the results to grant them seeding? What kind of communist crap is that? You can't deny that teams from South America and Europe have been dominating football ever since the beginning and have earned their rankings that way. On the other hand the few decent teams in North America and Asia are granted a free pass to the World Cup through the number of spots in the World Cup relative to the lack of genuine competition to qualify. (My personal opinion is that CONCACAF and CONMEBOL should be in one and the same qualifier with the same confederation multiplier as UEFA but that will never happen.)
At the end of the stay it's geographical thing. The groups will always be evenly matched when it comes to the number representatives from each continent. There will never be a group with 2 CONMEBOL teams or with 3 UEFA teams. All groups will have 1 UEFA + 1 (UEFA or CONMEBOL) so seeding CAF AFC or CONCACAF won't change that This isn't CL where seeding makes Real Bayern City PSG impossbile at the group stage