since I can't edit^^ that table is all ********ed up here's where I got it from http://www.rsssf.com/tablesa/asiarank08.html
Overall, in terms of infrastructure, organization and quality, my ranking would be: 1. Japan 2. South Korea 3. Saudi Arabia/Iran 5. China/Uzbekistan 7. Australia/Qatar/UAE
I can't help it if he uses the same kind of rules as yourself, which generally runs along the lines that your correct if you use just a small selection of factual information, never mind the rest of the dta, you just handpick what you need. Thanks for the table anyway, shows the UAE is better that Uzbekistan which i can add to the argument. I just don't understand his stance on his ranking really. He uses the ACL as a measure but then includes his own Uzbek league because why? Because yes the have won the ACL so many times. It seems different rules are applied here. When brought to his knowledge that Al Ain won the ACL, he's happy to change the timeframe. Anyway, glad you brought me up in your response fella as I'm still waiting for you to respond in previous threads you ran away from.
Com'n dry, u don't want to rank leagues looking at ACL tourmanent, but thanking the ACL table because UAE is better then UZB. Anyhow, what about Qatar and Oman? U also ranked them better then Uzbekistan. Oman in this table is even worse then Malaysia, India and HongKong. Then what criterias, except your personal views, are making Oman better then UZB? And pay attention, I didn't change the timeframe, that was u who changed it. U said that we have only 2 decent teams, and then saying that the UAE club won the ACL cup, but at that time the club Bunyodkor, one of these 2 decent teams, was not even existed. U have much knowledge about football, u have to know it. Incase UAE, even if you do not compare leagues by not looking to ACL tournament, where our teams performed much better then the UAE teams (all 4 got last places in their groups for the last 2 years), then how do you compare the rest teams of the both leagues? Have you seen a single match of UZB leagues? I have seen both of them, UAE and UZB, many times and can honestly say that I would prefer to watch UZB matches on my black-white TV then the UAE boring matches on hich-tech TVs with 3d technology, where players are always roll on those their expensive fields rather then play a football. Good Luck with your always useful statistics! I personally rank the asian leagues as following: Top leagues. Japan and Korea 3. Iran and SA 5. Australia, China and Uzbekistan
Well Nurafshon, i respect your opinions and respect the fact that you can come back to me with a response which I greatly understand where your coming from. I previously challeneged the other poster to see why he ranked the nations how he ranked them, he hasn't come back with a response (yet) so i assume it's a kind of trolling which happens very often around here. Now, i would probably agree with your ranking in fact. But this is where it gets stupid. How can you compare East against West when it's very rare that East actually meets West at club level? Look at the Chinese clubs in recent editions of the ACL (if we want to use this as a barometer) they have hadly made it past the group stages yet you rank them on a par with other nations that have, so what formula is being used here? Surely it is the strength of the domestic league. Anyway, the further you would go down the pecking order, say at AFC Cup level, could you really say a poor Kuwaiti league (which has had it's teams dominate the AFC Cup recently) be better than a Vietnamese League for example, how do we draw the line on this? As for Korea being a strong league, well, I don't think it's a particualry exiciting league, i guess this is because they use a playoff system which frankly takes away from using a regular league format in my opinion, i guess they have strong clubs, but they don't have a league to match the J.League - but that would be another story, a strong league which never took the ACL seriously until the last few years. Even, if you can for a few moments take a look at the Singaporean S.League, they have withdrawn from Asian competition, so how could you ever rank this league, by the domestic fortunes of course. Anyway, would we ever need a personal opinion on ranking the leagues if we can always just say the best is this because they won that. Anyway my friend, I'd like to draw a line under this before it gets out of hand, and you know me, I keep an eye out on the majorty of leagues in Asia so i've always got an opinion out there, some don't like it, some can challenge it, but this is a place to discuss and even learn.
Here is my rankings for Asian teams. The number 1 spot is always a constant battle between South Korea and Japan is there is really no way to say who is number 1. Both of the leagues have great players, stadiums, teams, and organization, but I fear that the K-League would worsen because of all of their best players are transferring to the European Leagues. 2./3. CSL and Qatari League 4./5. A-League and Uzbekistan
I'm just wondering how so many people can produce these lists without any justification why. It would be nice to see why people regard certain leagues higher than others. I guess we will never know from some posters as to there reasons. I personally don't know how he has compared the UAE above China. It is his opinion, but on what basis?
Based on my own personal opinion. The top two are basically a tossup betwen SK and Japan...and since I feel that SK has higher quality while Japan has better management/infrastructure. China is lower than UAE due to the level of corruption in China's league. UAE. with its tourist attraction, has a lot of money that can entice the "Beckhams" of this world.
Thank you for response Mine for example, the leagues that I think are storng are: Japan - strength in depth, well organised, generally exciting Iran - To me the championship race is exciting, 4 or 5 teams could win. We all know about Estehgal and Pirouzi, but the championship isn't just about them like many think. China - It's a strong league, maybe they've had corruption issues, but to m they have a strong league, maybe more exitement down at the bottom, but with the AFC giving 4 spots into the CL, they keep the league running until the end. Saudi Arabia - I think they have 4 or 5 decent sides that depth to the league, but just recently it's only really been about Hilal and Ittihad To be honest, I couldn't really rank any other leagues, Qatar, UAE for example are only just getting up and going in the professional era. Same for Thailand and Vietnam in ASEAN and India in SAFF. Malaysia for example, the league season is rushed through. They seem to have more history in the cup competitions, and this is what they seem to prefer to win. Now, some poor leagues; Kuwait in West Asia, I just don't get it, god teams at AFC level but the league is generally just pants. And in Easr Asia, both Korea and Australia rather nag me really. Although they have good teams, I just can't get behind a playoff system league to be crowned champions. Imagine being the best team over 20 odd games and then lose 1 game to a lucky 6th placed team, it could happen, and you could lose your championship for it. Not for me really.
No problem! If India invests as much into football as it does into cricket, it will be a strong footballing country (at least good enough to have a good shot at qualifying for the World Cup). You don't think South Korea is a strong league?
I think Korea (and Australia) are strong leagues, but I'm just not one for playoff systems really where you can come 6th and still be crowned champions. I prefer a champion who is top after a whole home and away basis. I guess with a playoff system, the chances are that a different club has the opportunity to be crowned champions at all times, whereas a normal system,, there generally are only 3 or 4 clubs per league who can challenge. So, they're pros and cons.
in the a-league the team that wins the regular season is the premiers and they get an ACL spot, its still a big deal. The final series is just like a mini cup competition.
Why you put A-league in your list ? A-league for me is rubbish... still far from professional. They don't have promotion/relegation system, foreign club is playing in this league, number of participant is too few, etc etc
You know, I really wouldn't expect a reply (hope I get one saying this!). Many users like to post there list without any reasoning. Personally, I agree with you about the A-League. How it can be strong without promotion/relegation is beyond me really.
I think so. Level of competitiveness is low... with such condition then A-League clubs should not enter AFC Champions League nor AFC Cup starting from 2012. One of the major criteria of AFC CL and AFC Cup starting from 2012 is the top competition within a country shall has promotion/relegation system.
You sure? Because that will mean there won't be any kleague teams, which is ridiculous considering that it is by far the most successful league in the Asian champions league. Why are so many people ripping apart the aleague? Sure it's not great-but the Chinese league is? Lol. I see nothing crazily wrong with hanuls post, Fifth equal in Asia does not sound seriously off the mark. sure the Chinese league might have more teams and pro/rel but it's full of corruption not to mention in terms of quality it's even worse than the aleague. And if you think that the aleague is worse than the Qatari or Uzbek leagues you are probably biased
It could happen, but in the Australian system its pretty unlikely. The lucky sixth team needs to win 3 matches in a row, away from home, against teams that finished higher in the league than it did. That's a tough ask. It's much more common that the League leaders at regular season end finish up League Champions. I can't remember a side out of the top 2 doing it since the A League started.
Check out this link: http://www.the-afc.com/uploads/afc/docs/acl2011criteria.pdf K league has no promotion/relegation ? Why ? in term of what aspects I am biased ?