Random World Cup Facts

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Every Four Years, Jun 23, 2022.

  1. Itiofele

    Itiofele Member

    Sporting Cristal
    Peru
    Jan 1, 2018
    Lima, Peru
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    To be fair, I think we should not include one-hit wonders.

    Having said that, in the case of Wales, if we include "major tournaments", they are indeed a member of that club, but not the Republic of Ireland.
     
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  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One hit?

    **pushes up glasses**

    Cuba played just as many games in the first round of '38 as teams in the 2026 World Cup will, if FIFA sticks with the 16x3 format :D
     
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  3. Viking lord

    Viking lord Member

    Uruguay
    Aug 4, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    Argentina and Germany are the only non-seeded / pot 1 teams that have won the World Cup. Every other champion so far has been a seeded team.

    Argentina won the 1986 World cup without being one of the six seeded teams (Mexico [Hosts], Italy, West Germany, France, Brazil)

    West Germany wasn't a seeded team in their 1954 WC win, although it was due to the fact they were recently reinstated as FIFA members after WWII, if we use retroactive elo ratings they would have been a seeded team.

    Important to note that from 1958-1970 the draw was done by continents without any seeded team.
     
  4. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member+

    radnicki nis
    Serbia
    Nov 17, 2005
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I am kind of a fan of the 1954 as it resembles the #TwinPool48 format for a 48 team. world cup in a nutshell.

    It is based on the so called "swiss system".

    this takes into account, that with a limitation of provisioned matches and match days,, you wave good bye to a strict round robin format.

    you need to take into account thar 1954, having round robin in all groups would have meant 8 more matches (24 instead of 32) = saves 25%. So as facilities and all were not that mature, such a dormat makes sense from the past persepctive.

    with the twin pool format for 48, you have 88 instead 136 if round-robin at group stage would be applied.
     
  5. Itiofele

    Itiofele Member

    Sporting Cristal
    Peru
    Jan 1, 2018
    Lima, Peru
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Most people would agree that the OFC is the weakest confederation. However a team from OFC has never occupied the last position in a WC:
    • Australia 1974 (Zaire got last place).
    • New Zealand 1982 (El Salvador got last place).
    • Australia 2006 (Serbia and Montenegro got last place).
    • New Zealand 2010 (North Korea got last place).
    They will continue to hold this record until 2026.
     
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  6. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    OFC have always had to qualify by playing teams from other confederations or regions. I'm not sure the teams that eliminated OFC teams to qualify have finished a world cup with the worst record either. Those teams going back are Peru (2018), Mexico(2014), Uruguay (2002), Iran (1998), Argentina (1994), Scotland (1986), Israel (1970), Noth Korea (1966). No OFC teams entered before then and in the years I've missed out OFC teams didn't make it to the final stages (1990 Israel played in the OFC group and won, then lost to Colombia in a playoff and 1978 Australia made it to the final group stage in AFC but finished 4th)

    Another random fact is that Australia is the only country to have played teams from every inhabited continent in World Cup Qualifying.
     
  7. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    I can't recall anyone from Africa playing Australia in a World Cup qualifier. 5 out of 6 continents is impressive nonetheless.
     
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  8. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    We played Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) in 1970 qualifiers.
     
  9. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Argentina's WC group in 1998 had three debutants - Croatia, Jamaica, and Japan. Anyone know of any other WC group which contained least three debutants?

    Excluding 1930 where all participating teams were debutants, obviously.
     
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  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can only come up with a couple groups with two debutants, using the "first time they showed up as this political entity" loophole, both from 2006:

    Argentina's group (including the debutants Côte d'Ivoire and Serbia and Montenegro) and Italy's group (including the Czech Republic and Ghana).
     
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  11. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    No others with 3.
    A few with 2.

    1954: Turkey, South Korea
    1974: Australia, East Germany
    1994: Greece, Nigeria

    I base this on FIFA's view on successor national teams where results/histories were passed on.
    Yugoslavia... Serbia/Montenegro
    Czechoslovakia... Czech Republic
    etc.
     
  12. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Longest ongoing World Cup qualification streaks (4+ in a row):

    1. Brazil: 1930-present (all 22 editions)
    2. Germany: 1954-present (18)
    3. Argentina: 1974-present (13)
    4. Spain: 1978-present (12)
    5. South Korea: 1986-present (10)
    6. Mexico: 1994-present (8)
    7. (tie) England: 1998-present (7)
    7. (tie) France: 1998-present (7)
    7. (tie) Japan: 1998-present (7)
    10. Portugal: 2002-present (6)
    11. (tie) Australia: 2006-present (5)
    11. (tie) Switzerland: 2006-present (5)
    13. Uruguay: 2010-present (4)
     
  13. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    Teams from all five big confederations but CAF. That goes to show how unforgiving CAF Qualfying is.
     
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  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IIRC Nigeria, the closest candidate to a consistent qualifier out of CAF, missed out on '06 because FIFA used head-to-head as the first tiebreaker (they immediately dropped it for the next qualification cycle).
     
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  15. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    If I recall correctly, Chile either goes out in the group stage or is eliminated by
    Brazil, and only Brazil in the knockout rounds. I wonder what they may have done if they did not always run into Brazil.
     
  16. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    With the increase to 48 I can only see those streaks continuing for the immediate future. UEFA has only gone to 16 from 13 so maybe it will be a UEFA team to break their streak.
     
  17. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    Yeah. And Brazil, Argentina, USA, Mexico will never miss a world cup. At least not for the next 100 years.
     
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  18. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    You never know. FIFA might suspend one of them.
     
  19. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    You never know how deep Mexico can fall.
     
  20. Viking lord

    Viking lord Member

    Uruguay
    Aug 4, 2022
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    Speaking of Mexico, I just noticed that they topped their wc group every time they got grouped with Italy

    I found it funny cause well you know, they have almost the same flag
     
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  21. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member+

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    In a Concacaf with 6/7 world cup places? They will never fail. Unless they make some crazy straight knockout format or something.
     
  22. uuaww

    uuaww Member+

    Nov 21, 2007
    New Orleans, LA
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean look at 2010 World Cup Qualifying, Mexico only qualified for the hex via goal dif. I assume they would have taken their last game more seriously... but not out of the question.

    If say 6 qualify and you have a final round of 3 groups of 4. you could have a Mexico, Panama, Jamaica group. While not likely, 1-2 bad results could doom you.
     
  23. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    I think that head-to-head should be the first tiebreaker everywhere.
     
  24. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I disagree. In group or league play the overall results are the ones that should count first. The head to head could be affected by one off factors eg suspensions, injuries, conditions, dodgy decisions etc. If a team performs better across all the games then that should be the first decider.
     
  25. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    #50 Every Four Years, Aug 29, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2022
    Imo the best solution where possible is to have a playoff on neutral ground. In the worst case scenario a few teams might secure a spot in the WC finals after the final draw for the WC has already been made, like happened this time with Wales and the IC playoff teams.

    In the 2006 Nigeria-Angola case, the November 2005 window was not even used for any competitive matches. A neutral-site playoff could easily have been scheduled if such a rule had been in place from the outset.
     

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