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Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by CybrSlydr, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, well, given the way they performed previously, I'm not holding my breath.
     
  2. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Based on this alone, you should pretty much boycott every World Cup, ESPECIALLY the ones the US is involved in.
     
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  3. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't watch a whole lot of Brazil either. But Qatar is a whole different beast.
     
  4. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Is it? Is it really? What about South Africa? Russia?
     
  5. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about them? I didn't really care until I was hearing about Brazil and the slave labor in Qatar. My natural aversion to anything Russia is enough that I didn't read into anything about it.
     
  6. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    So what causes you to "care" about humanitarian issues?

    And why do you then support the US at all?
     
  7. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually hearing about it - but my lack of participation in the media means I don't hear a lot.

    And I support the US because they're "my" team. Pretty simple.

    Look, I wasn't very conscious of the issues with the World Cups until pretty recently. I just never looked into it.

    I can't go back and change what's in the past, but I'm trying in the future.

    If that's not good enough, then that's your problem, not mine. I can't be aware/care for every single indecency in the world.
     
  8. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Well, I'm trying to understand your threshold for boycotting on humanitarian grounds.

    You've carved out an exception for supporting the US because they're "your team". Cool. Then you're fine with Yemen, Syria, and Afghanistan, among others.

    You didn't hear anything about Russia, so their dalliances persecuting gay people (as one example) don't mean anything, nor their activities in Chechnya, Syria, et. al. Cool.

    You didn't hear anything about South Africa, so their displacement of local populations to build white elephants that barely get half-full for the occasional Super Rugby games is fine.

    Qatar you've heard of, and their badness is super-duper-bad because someone told you it was.

    That's one highly-principled way to go about it, I guess.
     
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  9. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Doesn't have to work for you.
     
  10. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    So, it's probably NOT humanitarian grounds you're really concerned about. Why tell us it is?

    Also, how could I forget the favela clearances in Brazil?
     
  11. CybrSlydr

    CybrSlydr Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Jun 30, 2013
    Casper, WY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slave labor and massive deaths among the workers isn't a humanitarian ground?

    EDIT: Sorry, I'm human - I'm not perfect. Never claimed to be. Inconsistency is part and parcel of the experience. Frankly, a lot of the time, I just don't care to get involved.

    I avoided Russia because of, well, it's Russia and all the corruption and stuff that comes with it.

    I didn't watch much of Brazil b/c the US wasn't in it and the abuses that visited upon the people (advertisers getting laws changed to sell beer, crime, terrible living conditions, etc).

    Just come out and say I'm virtue signaling or something so we can move on.
     
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  12. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Of course it is. So are all the others, especially the one where the US helps the Saudis starve the poorest Muslim country.
     
  13. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My gut says the World Cup will happen whether anyone's watching or not, so I might as well watch.

    By the way... I know people get tired of hearing this, but it hasn't stopped being true... the U.S. got one more point in the last qualifying cycle in their fifth place finish than Mexico did in their cycle where they finished fourth and got into the playoff. Continuing to beat ourselves up and acting like it's going to be 40 years before we qualify again is getting monotonous. What's more, it's repetitive.
     
  14. DrunkandDisorderly

    Mar 17, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I'm pretty sure the US qualified for Brazil.
     
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  15. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's that.
     
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  16. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    All I'm going to say is that I hope you boycott the US from now until the US gets out of all its elective entanglements, else your "boycott" is a complete show on the very grounds you provide.

    When the US qualifies for 2022, which side of the selectivity coin will you fall on? What other entertainment will you be forgoing or indulging in?

    Also, the thing pointed out by others (US was actually in Brazil) gives this whole thing an extra air of bullshit.
     
  17. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Timon, are you as consistent in your reasoning and subsequent actions as you seem to be holding CybrSlydr to? I know I’m not, and I doubt most people are. We’re only as good as our knowledge at the time. If we’re not learning and adjusting, THAT’s a problem.
     
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  18. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I didn't announce I was boycotting anything on humanitarian grounds
     
  19. TKyle

    TKyle Moderator
    Staff Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Dec 28, 2014
    Nordecke’s Porch
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know you seem to be opposed to boycotts, but why is it objectionable to boycott supporting the WC in Qatar on humanitarian grounds just because you haven’t boycotted other things on humanitarian grounds?
     
  20. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #920 LaMacchia, Jul 15, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2020
    Especially when a person wasn't aware of the humanitarian offenses of those other things? Are all people expected to be knowledgeable of all things at all times simply because one person is better informed?
     
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  21. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Boycotting, especially something like this, requires more than just idle chatter. It means something, and requires actual work to mean anything at all. The boycott-er must withhold economic exchanges with involved parties that said boycott-er would otherwise have had a reasonable chance at partaking in. If that very basic requirement is not met, nothing meaningful has occurred.

    I doubt he was going to Qatar anyway, so nothing sacrificed there. Probably wasn't ever going to fly Qatar Airways, so ditto.

    No adidas or associated brands.
    No Coca-Cola or associated brands (and there are many).
    No movies at AMC Theaters (Wanda Group).
    No Hyundais or Kias or Genesis.
    No Visa or associated brands.
    No Budweiser or other ABInBev products.
    No McDonalds.
    No Vivo cellphones (this is the first time I've heard of them - doubt much is being ventured there).

    That's just the direct corporate sponsors. Haven't gotten to construction, engineering, design, logistics companies doing business with and for the tournament. Broadcast partners. Ooh, there's one! Except to actually have any effect whatsoever, you'd have to cancel all of your Fox-related service.

    Saying "I'm boycotting" without actually sacrificing anything other than not putting yourself through the pain of watching the games themselves is not a boycott. Unless you stop paying to watch Fox altogether and forgo any purchasing that you would have otherwise done of the above listed companies and more, you've done nothing.

    I mean, I can say "I'm boycotting Oakley eyewear". It won't mean anything because I've been "boycotting" them all my life, as I've never purchased any of their products, nor do I ever really plan to.

    If you had said "I'm not watching Qatar 2022", there wouldn't have been an issue.
     
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  22. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jesus, that's an awful lot of rules set by one person for a very personal decision that another person made in their own life, for themselves, at the expense and harm of no one else, in order to satisfy their own feelings on a topic.

    And, for those reasons, I'd like to declare that I'm actively engaged in a boycott of Under Armour.
     
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  23. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    It's what a "boycott" actually is. I didn't make the rules.

    This proves my point. Thanks.
     
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  24. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When we get to a point where we're telling other people they're exercising their beliefs incorrectly and using the wrong words to describe the outward expression of those internal feelings, I think we need to have a bigger discussion.

    No problem whatsoever. It's my choice, for my reasons, by my rules, in my own life. It neither breaks your leg nor picks your pocket.
     
  25. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd like to announce publicly, right now, that I'm boycotting anything to do with sex. A boycott that will continue until all women I know end their repulsive policy of not having sex with me.
     
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