Racism - Forever and Always

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  1. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    You need to understand nuance and difference of opinion. We disagree as to where the Democratic Party sits. Richard Nixon would sit to the left of the Democratic Party. The Democrats are just as responsible for ICE (and have increased funding for it) as the Republicans. They don't listen to the will of the people. They are captured by the Oligarchs.

    It's pretty obvious to me that you don't subscribe to my interpretation (Marxist) of History, but saying it's wrong without any argument is intellectually lazy and beneath you.
     
  2. Kryptonite

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  3. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Guinness

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  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    I'm guessing he was defending Southern white protestant culture with the Scots-Irish reference.
     
  5. soccernutter

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    That's because race is made up. There really is no such thing as "White" or "Black" or whatever. It's a social construct based on skin color, nothing more.
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Culture is made up, too.
     
  7. Sounders78

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    To be more precise, race is not a biologically real construct for modern humans, given we cannot meaningfully divide people into valid subcategories based on physical or genetic traits. Skin color exists on a cline, a biological continuum. Given the amount of variation within each ethnic group, it is impossible to meaningfully divide people into discrete categories without splitting ethnic groups into different categories.

    In contrast, culture, which is very real indeed (and most certainly not "made up" unless talking about fictional societies) as anyone who has experienced culture shock can testify, transcends things like skin color, given members of one cultural group can and often do vary considerably in their biological traits, including skin color.
     
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  8. rslfanboy

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    :cautious:

    Being cute, or serious?
     
  9. superdave

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    It’s as made up as race, it’s artificial.

    Like, who doesn’t associate Italian food with the tomato? Well, the tomato is a new world food. Pasta was invented in China.
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    "If we take the information down about slaves, maybe people will forget Washington even had any" :confused:

    A federal judge Monday ruled that the Trump administration wrongly removed slavery memorial panels that were placed at a historical Philadelphia site in 2002. The decision came after the Black activists who pushed the city to place the panels again organized in support of their presence last month.

    The National Park Service removed several panels from the President’s House in Philadelphia, citing a March 2025 executive order by President Donald Trump to prohibit exhibitions or programs at federal sites based on race. President’s House features exhibits about George Washington and among the 34 historical panels, 13 were created after a group of activists lobbied the city and the park service to include information about the nine men, women and children who were enslaved by Washington there.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...its-24-years-ago-trump-fight-retur-rcna258827
     
  11. Kryptonite

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  12. Dr. Wankler

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    in his defense, if I’m in the Iditarod, I’m going with dogs. Preferably huskies of course.
     
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  13. Kryptonite

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    If this is him...yikes.
     
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  14. Dr. Wankler

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    Okay. I pity any husky that has to pull his ass on a sled.
     
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  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Yes.

    About two weeks ago I saw a joke about him commenting about him standing with ICE. The winner of the internet that day replied, I’ll bet it’s not thin ice.
     
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  16. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    To wit:



    Starts around 1:30 in.

     
  17. bigsoccertst1

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    Sep 22, 2017
    I have to disagree with race being *nothing more* than a social construct.

    Diligent clinical surveys strive to avoid race bias. How dangerous is it for a drug to be FDA-approved if its clinical trials targeted just one race group?

    Consider a sports body enacting blood test thresholds for world track and field competitions, based on medical studies limited to Scandinavian athletes. Should those thresholds be trusted because race is nothing more than a social construct?
     
  18. bigredfutbol

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    But Italian cuisine is real, as is Italian culture. Pointing out that cultures are neither static nor timeless doesn't change that.
     
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  19. Sounders78

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    There is more genetic variation within one ethnic group than there is between different ethnic groups in different parts of the world. Biological traits exist on a cline, a geographic continuum. Race is not a biologically valid concept for Homo sapiens sapiens (aka modern humans).

    edit: No, using only Scandinavians would not be a good representative of humans all over the world because, as already stated, biological traits vary based on a geographic continuum, not based on "race". For example, just because ABO blood group frequencies vary based on a continuum does not mean that race is biologically valid. What you have done is created a false dichotomy with your scenario.
     
  20. soccernutter

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    You are talking about surface-level observations as opposed to genetic makeup. As an example, people from Africa have a higher rate of Sickle-Cell disease than people from other continents. Turns out it is from a specific part of Africa, and it is a genetic mutation as a defense against malaria. And not all Blacks from that area have Sickle-Cell disease. But without looking at the cells and further, genetics, we would say "only Blacks have Sickle-Cell disease." And that is a social construct.

    Also, how drugs effect people is not based on skin color, it is based on genetics.
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Many East Asians don't have underarm BO. Imagine how rich I'll get when I develop the pill to take out BIG DEODORANT :thumbsup:
     
  22. bigsoccertst1

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    That premise is incorrect: "people from Africa have a higher rate of Sickle-Cell disease than people from other continents."

    Today, Sickle-Cell genetic traits are endemic to world regions where malaria is rampant (see the Middle East). However, its disease is popularly known as a greater risk within our US Black population due to marginalized health policies applied to that race group.

    I challenge the notion that race is *nothing more* than a social construct. Being more does not mean that it must be a failed biological concept. I would argue that race is a set of genetic traits which identifies human groups within the human species. What is wrong about that?

    @Sounders78 I am not versed well in Biology, but I am almost sure that terms "cline" and "geographic continuum" are not interchangeable. Please correct me if I am wrong.
     
  23. Sounders78

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    #1548 Sounders78, Feb 17, 2026
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    It is clear you are not well-versed in Biology given your views on race. And yes, the biological anthropology textbook definition of "cline" is a gradual change in the frequency of biological traits across a geographic continuum. The continuum of traits is one reason why you cannot divide people into different meaningful races. Modern human groups, including "continental" groupings, simply don't have enough genetic differences to classify them into different subspecies (aka races). It doesn't matter what collection of genetic traits you decide to use, you cannot divide people into meaningful "racial" groups.
     
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  24. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

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    Yes I can.

    It just will be nonsensical, but Imma do it anyways!!! :mad::mad::mad:

    When your IQ is over 180, they let you.
     
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  25. superdave

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    Vinicius accused a Benfica player of racial abuse. On the one hand, I believe he’s telling the truth. On the other hand, soccer has the biggest field of any of our major sports, and only 1 ref and two linesmen, so how can UEFA find enough evidence to take action? It’s incredibly hard to police, especially if the player does what the Benfica player did (pull up his shirt to cover his mouth, presumably to thwart lip readers.)

    It’s a sticky wicket.
     
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