Racism - Forever and Always

Yup.
In Europe/EU your brain matters for universities and when you're up to it you will be allowed to study.
No hurdles/obstacles, like the size of your wallet or the color of your skin.
Something like getting a grant to be able to study by being good in a sport is alien to us.
I actually find that system repulsive.
So projecting American habits, like racial identification, on us is stupid.
We got no use for it. You can keep that.

 

No, why should I and what does that have to do with me or the by Dominican assumed habit of Northern European countries?

 

"We don't see race in Clogland"

Dutch race hate row engulfs presenter Sylvana Simons

• Published
  25 November 2016

Sylvana Simons was a well-known broadcaster on Dutch TV and radio before she entered politics

By Anna Holligan
BBC News, The Hague

The images of a black Dutch TV presenter's face super-imposed on the hanged bodies of victims of a lynching are too nauseating to look at. And yet a video featuring the mocked-up pictures has been widely circulated online here.

Sylvana Simons has for years been a familiar presence on Dutch TV and radio, and the attack on her has highlighted a debate bubbling inside the Netherlands far removed from its reputation as a liberal tolerant nation.

A former presenter on talent show Dancing with the Stars, she recently joined the political party "Denk" (Think) and is running in the next election. Ms Simons has been outspoken on racism, and has raised hackles by calling for the "decolonisation" of education and language use in the Netherlands.

But it was her criticism of the traditional festive character known as Black Pete that unleashed a backlash of death-threats and misogynistic, racist abuse, which quickly escalated from unpleasant to outright shocking

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38089469

 

You confuse racism with what was discussed, racial identification.
If you're suggesting I deny racist people exist in the Netherlands, you havenot been paying real attention or have a memory that needs upgrading.

 

You say you don't wanna be like America. But you are with a similar colonial history. Race, racism, racial identity are all connected. Stop being all hoity-toity up in your windmill looking down on us

 

I guess no tariffs on importing rednecks?

 

No, and that's what you don't get, despite being explained for years on end.
You simply don't understand the social different impact of your brand of colonialism had on your society and the way it developed into the social culture you have now.
Once more:
Your society had slaves and slavery as a fabric woven into your culture, with "masters" and those enslaved living in the same space and society.
Discrimination and segregation were part of your centuries long development as a racist culture.
Our colonial history is competely different. Slavery was since the rise of protestantism outlawed in Europe. It was considered a Catholic abomination.
So we over here never had that culture of suppressors and surpressed living next to each other in the same space and thus creating among the population a sense of superiority over the other.
Before you throw in another anecdotal "evidence" of the contrary, of course we had over here people with stupid ideas, being wrapped in bogus "scientific" theories. The nazi ideology is a prime example of that.
Segregation and discrimination and exploitation of non-whites in our colonial history took place in the very living place of the victims.
Over here that nurturing of bigotery like you had in your "two people in one nation" lab was non existent.
We had a homogenic composed population in which the only differentiation was by wealth.
When circumstances like in the USA, or your copycat state South Africa, donot exist, you don't get that cultural embedded systemic racism.

You can throw in anecdotal proves of racism, but that fails to prove we are the same as you.
We are not. Period.

Regarding Simone Simons there's a centuries old background to that story.
Sint Nicolaas and his helpers are centuries old and dear to the Dutch.
When protestantism swept the Low countries away from Catholicism the fanatic converts/vicars tried to eradicate Sinterklaas and his helpers from our culture, but hastily had to back off as the Dutch reacted violently to those efforts. That was over 400 years ago and it still applies.
Touch Sinterklaas and his helpers, the reaction is as violent as 400 years ago.
Doesnot mean what was thrown at her isnot a disgrace...it is.

 

Welcome our Brown Friends to the world of being Ninjas

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-spen...KulhDiiDoFss&bt_ts=1746657825186&guccounter=1

 

We had blackface characters for many years as well. That was racist. See how easy this is?

I say take saltine Sinter Kalas and his merry band of Uncle Toms from Haarlem to Harlem and see how they do. Film it even as a Christmas special.

 

Oh my god, are the Dutch still defending Black Pete?

 

Of course. But that doesn't mean there's racism there or brown people should feel 2nd class or anything. Even they like Black Pete!

 

Charge these mf'ers by the pound. Don't want them using up all my oxygen and fresh muzzarelle

 

Again, the point of discussion was the remark by Dominican supposing a behaviour from the Americas to be the same in northern European countries. So what is the matter in American situation is irrelevant to what I wrote.
You're falling into the trap again putting the social template of the USA on us.
Schools here arenot subject to underfunding etc. like in the USA.
Get that into your head for once, so you can scrap that "we explained etc" mantra.
Children over here don't get caught in bad schools as a result of red lined neighbourhoods.
Children over here are priviliged with access to good scholing. It comes down to using it or not.
The one thing that applies and is a contributing factor over here is a neighbourhood being poor/with low income blue collar people.
My sister's daughter is a teacher and until last year worked as a emergency sub in for schools, who needed a temporarily replacement for teachers absent with maternal leave etc.
She about 2 years ago took up an assignment for a couple of months replacing a teacher in a class of 9 yo pupils.
I was baffled by her stories about what she experienced in that class. She had no control over them, they didnot pay attention, even incidents occurred in which pupils were stabbing other ones with their pencils. She actually admitted she was scared of those kids. The only times her kids behaved was when the school principal, nicknamed by the staff the prison guard, took a look to see how things were going.
According to the principal the kids actually liked my niece, who doubted if in the time she spent there she did get them to learn anything.
She learned from other staff members it wasnot that different from their classes, completely lack of interest to learn anything.
In my talks with her about this school she at a given moment made the remark those staff members were racist as fok.
I of course was curious why she thought that and she gave examples of how they discussed certain children or situations.
Listening to those examples my conclusion was they werenot racist, but frustrated. I said to her, they like you have a mission to give children the best they can deliver, to prepare them for their future. They see possible talents wasted, despite their efforts, because my niece admitted those "racists" in those instants were talking/complaining about their efforts not having a positive effect.
I asked her about the parents of her class kids, how they reacted on their children behaviour in the class. There was little support in addressing their misbehaviour.
When I compared that with a birthday party of a niece becoming 13 and her friends there, a huge difference was obvious.
From the about 40 friends she had there, about 25 were in the range from mediterranean to black.
These 40 kids all doing very well at school and with positive attitudes towards the future.
So two completely different outlooks for those 25 kids in my then 13 yo niece's environment to those in my niece's classroom.
The main difference being how parents condition them.

 

I have spoken about my time living in the Dutch Caribbean.

Racism - Forever and Always

A few points to quibble with you on the above in bold.

1. There is/was a lighter skin and darker skin difference in the way the local Statians and Sabans were treated by the Dutch, not only in the present but throughout history. The lighter-skinned Africans were used as house servants. The darker skinned Africans were field hands and did the harder labor. This was done deliberately and has perpetuated until today, where certain family names (and having darker skin) means your work is on the docks, landscaping or the oil refinery ---- aka, blue collar. The lighter-skinned descendants have more white-collar "air-conditioned office" type jobs. Obviously, this is not a hard and fast rule anymore, but that last name and lighter skin meant that your ancestors worked as servants for the Dutch ruling class in Saba or Statia. And if you have a last name and darker skin, well your chances of a cushy job are lower. Even when the Dutch did away with slavery, the structure they created can be seen today on those 2 islands.
2. The Dutch did have a "culture of suppressors and surpressed living next to each other in the same space and thus creating among the population a sense of superiority over the other." It just wasn't on your shores, but definitely in your kingdom.
3. Segregation and discrimination and exploitation of non-whites in our colonial history took place in the very living place of the victims." I doubt the enslaved Africans were on these islands. The were brought there.
4. Almost every person who went to live in the Netherlands (not matter how long or short), had a story, whether it was a micro-aggression or outright racism. 5 to 6k (2 islands combined) is not really a lot of people compared to almost 17 million (Netherlands), but having the 5k with a 99% rate of experiencing discrimination certainly says something. Having said that, I will give leeway since Statians and Sabans are modest and more conservative as a whole and I can see them clashing with an average Dutch person who is more direct and willing to speak their opinion.

 

OK, OK, Holland has a better education system. You win. Stop clogging it to death. It also has less people than NY state.

 

The light skin/dark skin thing was a feature of American slavery too, right? Another one Dutchies have in common with the US.

 

fewer people

 

He ment we're less than...

 

Then the proper word is “lesser.”

In an age where truth is increasingly up for debate, we must hold on to the few verities we still have.

 

FWIW, they're at least headed down the correct path. Amerika isn't.

 

Now that he's here, this guy is gonna go on welfare, claiming to be "African-American."

 

Did the Dutch not enslave people from their colony in Indonesia and some Malaysians and brought what we now refer to as Cape Malays, to what is now South Africa?

 

No. None of those things are "racial". 1.8% of sickle-cell cases were among whites and 4.8% were among Hispanics. That does not make them black. Genetic traits, including the sickle-cell trait, often exist as clines and cannot be used as "racial markers".