What is it for nonsense to think no European has ever been a 'tier 1' talent? George Best less talented than Ronaldo Nazario? How? That is typical Tropeiro. For the record, Alex Ferguson rated Ronaldo as more talented than Rooney. In his autobiography and many times elsewhere.
It is absurd! I never said that Europeans couldn't have the same talent as the players I mentioned, but good to know that "you recognize?" George Best as the most talented European ever. I thought of him as a highly talented player as well, but I'm not know enough about his career to say if he was or he wasn't this kind of talent. Garrincha was also a highly talented footballer, a unknown player from nowhere, from some small suburbs of Rio de Janeiro and when he had the chance to play against Botafogo defenders, one of the best teams in Brazil at the time, he made them looking like an amateur village team at that tim ... as he made the defenders looking like clowns in two WCs as well. Cristiano Ronaldo of course was more talented than Rooney, this became more noticiable after 06/07 season, but in fact I believe that Rooney is not even a TOP100 all-timer, but before there was, yes, a debate among soccer fans, at least (you can see in many football forums).... also in the old FIFA games, Rooney had more potental than him. There was a debate with Quaresma in his early days at Portugal as well.
There were some murmurs in the English press especially after Euro 2004 about Rooney being hailed as a "boy wonder " Or even the white Pele It was always more noticeable that CR was more talented just he was inconsistent with it His best performances pre 2006/07 were of a higher standard as Rooney aswell Don't let these threads from the dark corners of the web fool you C.Ronaldo was arguably the MOTM in 2 consecutive FA cup finals in 2004 and 2005 And scored some wonder goals too Here against Edwin van der sar Or Or
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...rooneys-500-league-games-in-english-football/ If he isn't then he's most certainly border line
If he isn't then he's most certainly borderline https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...rooneys-500-league-games-in-english-football/ Who are your players in the 85-100 bracket? I bet not many of them are the top all time scorer of a club team with the history of Manchester United Or a world cup winning country Anybody who is within a legit shout of top 100 all time must've been perceived to have been (for at least a 3 year period) both a top 5 talent and performer in the world I dont think he is less than Kevin Keegan who won 2 ballon dors for example
Serie A R9 (Inter Milan, Milan) 43 Non-PK Goals, 15 PK Goals in 6767 minutes (75.2 x 90 minutes) (Transfermarkt) Per 90 minutes 0.57 Non-PK Goals ===> 0.77 Goals Drop of 0.20 excluding PKs Cristiano Ronaldo (Juventus) per 90 minutes 30 Non-PK Goals, 12 PK Goals in 4634 minutes (51.5 x 90 minutes) Per 90 minutes 0.58 Non-PK Goals ==> 0.815 Goals Drop of 0.23 excluding PKs R9 scored less Goals from PK in La Liga tho. Now, Ronaldo Nazario won 8 of those 15 penalties he scored (Lecce, Milan 99, Venezia, Fiorentina, Bari, Vicenza, Napoli, Milan 97), so 51 Non-PK Goals + PK won and scored Goals in 6767 minutes.... or if only in Internazionale 42 Goals in 5386 minutes an average of 0.70 per 90 minutes. Cristiano, on the other hand, just won 1 of those 12 penalties he scored (Genoa), so 31 Non-PK Goals + PK won and scored Goals in 4634 minutes, an average of 0.60 per 90 minutes. In the 68 Matches Ronaldo Nazario played in Serie A Inter scored 127 Goals (1.87), in the 102 Matches he didn't Inter scored 161 Goals (1.59). R9 scored 42 Goals (NPK and PK won and scored) and had 11 assists. 0.886 per 90 / 1.867 = 47,45% In the 53 Matches Cristiano Ronaldo played in Serie A Juventus scored 102 Goals (1.924), in the 11 he didn't Juventus scored 18 Goals (1.64). Cristiano scored 31 Goals (NPK and PK won and scored) and had 11 assists. 0.816 per 90 / 1.924 = 42,4% ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Similar, but context: 1- Cristiano Ronaldo had a more powerful team in his hand and played in a inferior Italian league: http://clubelo.com/2018-08-01/Ranking (Juve 1957 Points vs Serie A 1651 Points) 2- R9 arrived in a good Inter but in the best rated league at that time http://clubelo.com/1997-08-01/Ranking (Inter 1836 Points vs Seria A 1727 Points) 3- R9 in his only season free of injuries he improved Inter http://clubelo.com/1998-08-01/Ranking (1836 ---> 1911, Serie A improved) 4 - While Cristiano did not (Juventus losing Coppa Italia, not reaching Semifinals in the CL like in 2017, Juventus scoring less Goals in Serie A than the season before, 86 to 70) http://clubelo.com/2019-08-01/Ranking (1957 ---> 1968, Serie A in decline) Of course R9 was more fouled and completed more dribbles per 90 at that time than CR7 did now. What you can argue that R9 had in Inter less assists than CR7 now in Juventus. OK. R9 had 0.184 assists per 90 minuntes, and CR7 a bit more, 0.214 assists per 90, but Cristiano Ronaldo has a xA (expected assists) of 0.18 per 90 in Serie A (check understat), it means that the players he's creating chances are maximizing those chances. 0.18 xA is the same number of what Ronaldo did in his Serie A, no more no less. In resume: R9 had better stats (Goals + Assists, Fouls Won, Dribbles completed) per 90 minutes in one much tougher Serie A (the toughest of his time) with a lesser team. All of this at the age of 21 and then suffering with constant injuries and what it brings all. And you spoke about Bierhoff (in his most prolific season), but what about over 30yo Mertens and Ilicic putting better stats than Cristiano in the last two seasons? Ilicic, for example, is dribbling more than Cristiano.... scoring more, passing more, assisting more, being more fouled... and different than Bierhoff that was a pure striker, Ilicic is all over the pitch. Data per 90: and he is 32, not 29 like the German was in 97/98 (29 is still considered for most, part of the peak years, not 21 and not over 30+). Josip is just outclassing the portuguese Ronaldo in evey possible manner in the Serie A!!! In fact the rumour of Cristiano wanting to leave Juventus must be partly because of that, he knows that the Ilicic type stats is out of his reach (even in his called peak). In 11/12 Liga, the maximum peak of Cristiano according his fans, the portuguese completed less than 2 dribbles, about 1.6 Key passes, 37.7 passes and was fouled 2.5 times per 90 minutes; all inferior numbers if compared.
I've debunked all of this. Pelé for example had more key passes than shots in 1970 (4.66 x 4.33). Cristiano Ronaldo never in his life had more key passes than shots, neither as 'tradicional winger' (other myth). In 2006 Cristiano had 20 shots and just 8 key passes in 6 matches, for example. So judging Pelé just by the number of goals he scores seems absurd to me. Pelé was a complete player in his time. To be honest Cristiano fans don't have authority to judge a player based on World Cups, Cristiano never had a prolific World Cup in any sense, in any area (neither in scoring Goals, creating chances or in dribbling). Even in 2006 as a 'dynamic playmaker' he just had 1.33 key passes per 90. His main work was about dribbling and crossing perhaps, still he just had 2.5 dribbles completed per 90 and of 21 crosses attemped (19 were innacurate, just 2 were accurate). Cristiano is not in the same ball park of R9, World Cup as reference. Cristiano Ronaldo had 5 Non-PK Goals and 1 Assist in 1474 minutes in WCs an average of 0.36 per 90 (0 Goals and 0 Assists in 6 KO matches). Ronaldo Nazario had 14 Non-PK Goals and 4 Assists in 1624 minutes an average of 1 per 90. Including scoring two goals against Germany and the highest score of all-time in the Castrol Ranking (9.87). Telling the truth now, Cristiano Ronaldo was the biggest Goal Contributor (Non-PK Goals + Assists per 90 minutes) in just four seasons: Premier League 2006/7 (including his wide assists if it is just 8 assists and not 13 then very probably he wasn't the top contributor) Premier League 2007/8, La Liga 2013/4 and La Liga 2014/5. In most of the leagues he played he had the most shots per 90 minutes, just for reference. So, 3 or 4 seasons. R9, unless proved otherwise, was the biggest Goal Contributor in the Brazilian League in 1993, the Eredivisie 1994/5, La Liga 1996/7, La Liga 2002/3, La Liga 2003/4 and La Liga 2004/5. Summary of R9: Brazilian League 1993: 1º Eredivisie 1994/5: 1º Eredivisie 1995/6: Don't qualify La Liga 1996/7: 1º Serie A 1997/8: Top 3? Serie A 1998/9 to 2001/2: Don't qualify La Liga 2002/3: 1º La Liga 2003/4: 1º La Liga 2004/5: 1º La Liga 2005/6: 4º. The rest he don't qualify more (you need to play at least half of the minutes). So 6 seasons out of 8 he qualify. In the other two he was top 5. Ronaldo Nazario never had less Goal Contribution per 90 than someone of his team (in the seasons he played the sufficient number of minutes). Even in the Inter 97/98 (the only he qualify in Italy) he scored 34 Goals in 47 Matches, the next player scored something like 8. On the other side, Cristiano Ronaldo had less Goal Contribution than Diego Forlan, Giggs, Van Nilsterooy, Alan Smith, Scholes, Rooney, Louis Saha. In Real Madrid he had less Goalcontribution than Higuaín in 2009-10 La Liga, Di Maria and Higuain in 2011/2 Liga and so on. Here, examples of Cristiano Ronaldo being outscored in 2015/6 and 2016/7. People over 1000 minutes there (most of them qualify). Cronaldo managed to had less end product than Isco, for example, a player that is famous for his lack for end product. That is the level. Between 2013/4 and 2016/7 Madrid was a team very strong and not less dominant than neither version of Barcelona, many matches were just an goal festival and Messi or Cristiano out, for example, did not represented any loss of performance at the time, in fact on some occasions the teams even scored more goals without them. Ronaldo in 7 out of 9 seasons was behind player of other teams like Messi, Suarez in one or other season, maybe some others too. Now this in Serie A: It is not something new to Cristiano Ronaldo, to had end less product than other players, even if they play in a equal or inferior teams, or teammates too.
There is a myth of R9 not being a elite dribbler against big matches. First, we have to define what was a big match. That was the situation before R9 arrived in Barcelona you can see Valencia, Atlético, Real Madrid and Valencia were the top teams in Spain in 1996. Valencia underperformed, but Atlético not so much, they are still a respectable team, Real Madrid too. We can add Deportivo, PSG and Fiorentina here. ------------------------------------------------------------ Real Madrid (home) La Liga 0:46 is one dribble lead to a dangerous shot (0:44 I don't know if it could be classified as a dribble) 1.15 he dribble past one player (even tho the defender reach him after) 1 time fouled (3.35) He was very well marked. 2 dribbles completed Real Madrid (Home) Copa del Rey 0.13 in one dribble lead to a dangerous shot, 0.45 he complete the dribble but is dispossed after. 2.44 he completes the dribble 4:13 other dribble 4:28 other dribble 4:40 other dribble 5:03 other dribble leading to a dangerous shot 5:56 he completes other dribble 8 dribbles completed. 1 Goal. That was a good match. Fouled a couple of times too. Real Madrid (away) La Liga 0:36 he complete one dribble 2:14 another dribble 2:42 and 2:44 it is two dribbles. Not much efficiency tho 4 Dribbles completed. Fouled 2 times I think. That was a bad match, he lost a big chance. Real Madrid away Copa del Rey . 3:32 dribble the GK 4:59 one dribble 2 Dribbles completed. Fouled a couple of times. 16 Dribbles completed (in 4 matches) vs Real Madrid. Can't be much different than that. vs PSG 0:45 one dribble PK Won 1 Dribble completed, didn't complete more because he was fouled almost all the time. vs Fiorentina (Home) 0:14 could be classified as a dribble (or a duel won) 0:37 clearly a dribble 2:40 dribbling lead to a dangerous shot 3:10 one dribble 4 Dribbles. Received a lot of fouls. vs Fiorentina (away) 1:40 one dribble 2:20 other dribble 3:02 and 3:04 two dribbles 4:04 one dribble 5 Dribbles. Some fouls won. vs Atlético Madrid La Liga 2:23 and 2:25 (GK) two dribbles 3:00 dribble another time the GK 4:50 other dribble 4 Dribbles. Many fouls won. vs Atlético Madrid Supercup 0:19 Dribble, Solo Goal 1:33 Dribble 1:38 other dribble 3:35 and 3:40 two dribbles 3:58 dribble lead to assist 6 Dribbles. Some fouls won. vs Atlético Madrid Copa del Rey 1:28 and 1.30 two dribbles 2:07 one dribble 3:00 other dribble 3:46 other dribble 4:33 other dribble 5:20 other dribble (ball carrier style) 7 Dribbles completed. Ronaldo vs Deportivo Home 1:28 dribble 3:54 and 3:56 two dribbles 5:11 and 5:12 two dribbles. Solo Goal 5 Dribbles completed vs Deportivo Away 0:06 Dribble 0:38 Dribble 2:30 Dribble 5:16 Dribble GK 6:06 Dribble 5 Dribbles completed 37 Dribbles completed (8 Matches) 53 Dribbles completed in the 12 biggest matches 4.4 Dribbles per match. Many fouls won. The videos are in the Youtube. Can't be much different than that 4 to 5 dribbles per match on average. I think he was elite in terms of dribbling. Really very dangerous, he had a lot of tricks, feints, close control (a lot of flair) and had a lot of agility, balance, acceleration, explosion and pace. His first touch was, on average, good too. Very objective too, not showboating. Direct and explosive dribbler, attracted a lot of violent tackles. Only Real Madrid in two games (Deportivo somewhat too) were successful in stopping him, but still betting on dangerous fouls and tackles. But in general it was very difficult, the impression is that the marking was much more intense in him and the defenses were much more active than nowadays and the fouls much harder than those of today. They made a lot of fouls, because if he started running it was a danger. In the games I saw he only had ~ three solo goals, but it could have been a lot more. Most of the dribbling was in a central position leading to a shot afterwards (which passes close to the opponent's goal normally). In a Mourinho counter attack Real Madrid he would score a lot for sure. He was really a threat in terms of dribbling.
Ronaldo nazario: “For me, in the classification of the best in history, the four names would be Pele, Maradona, Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, they are the top four in the history of football Kylian Mbappe, is the one who most reminds me of me and my playing times" https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/ron...ng-real-valladolid/1426zmxso7zo818ag4og2mr0wn "For Cristiano, it must be boring to hear that I am the real Ronaldo. People cannot be compared. Cristiano will remain in football history for the goals and for the continuity he has achieved. He will remain one of the all time greats just like Messi" https://www.brila.net/dont-compare-cristiano-ronaldo-with-me-ronaldo-de-lima/
Totti says R9 is the greatest ever better than Messi and CR7 https://www.passioneinter.com/notiz...onaldo-il-fenomeno-e-il-calciatore-piu-forte/
Di Michele on R9 vs CR7 and Messi https://www.calciomercato.it/2019/1...ti-ronaldo-il-fenomeno-mi-ispiro-a-spalletti/ By the way, who was the strongest footballer you met? “Ronaldo, the phenomenon. Seeing him in Inter in the prime of his career was absurd. I also faced CR7 and Messi, but he was much more impressed on me than the others. Had it not been for the physical ailments he suffered, he would have certainly won a lot more ”.
Marco Materrazzi on R9 vs CR7 https://www.tuttojuve.com/altre-not...pero-ronaldo-il-fenomeno-era-piu-forte-507589 "I respect CR7, but Ronaldo the phenomenon was stronger"
Ronaldo nazario: “For me, in the classification of the best in history, the four names would be Pele, Maradona, Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, they are the top four in the history of football https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/ron...ng-real-valladolid/1426zmxso7zo818ag4og2mr0wn This outweighs 500 ex professionals giving their unqualified opinions (99% of whom never even played CR) R9 could've said Zico (his childhood hero) Could've said Cruyff ( a popular choice for Europe's number 1) Could've said beckenbaur Could've said Garrincha (a legend from his own country) He said Cristiano Ronaldo When asked about the players he enjoys watching nowadays he mentioned half a dozen players and none of them was CR https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...-players-he-enjoys-watching-20200208.amp.html But greatness Real greatness He knows and everyone knows who is greater
First of all. All quotes I post on this thread are players who have played with or against R9 and CR7. I have never deviated from that. It's just crazy the aount of players who have played with or against both that say R9 is different level to CR7. But imo that's just the truth. I've seen the full conversation to this quote by R9. Fistly he says he will not put himself and say where he lies in the list. Then he says the list. R9 has respect for CR7 but does not believe CR7 is better than himself. CR7 is great only because of consistency(no injuries) but as a player he is light years behind R9 and as I have shown most proffesional players know that.
Stoichkov played against Cristiano Ronaldo Where...on FIFA? The only thing prime CR has over r9 is longevity? Cristiano Ronaldo's 700 goals scored by body part:• 442 Right-Foot (63.14%)• 129 Left-Foot (18.43%)• 127 Headed (18.14%)• 2 Other (0.29%)Ability to score with whatever body part. pic.twitter.com/eV69hSRrD6— Squawka (@Squawka) October 15, 2019 How about Freekicks?(He scored 30 direct FKs by 26 years old) How about headers?(130+ and counting) How about long range efforts? How about creativity? How about crossing? How about assisting?(200+ strict assists) How about big matches? How about his weak foot? Goals,raking passes,crosses with his weak foot How about inventive flicks( backheels) How about 1 touch play? How about 130 goals+40 assists in the champions league? How about scoring 50+ goals in 6 consecutive club seasons? This 'how about' stuff can take up a whole page You can give dribbling to R9 but Cristiano at his best was defintely no slouch https://mobile.twitter.com/laligafrauds/status/1298973571167989760 Lastly You quotes Messi on the last page LMFAO at Messi suggesting R9 is the best striker ever meaning he thinks he's better than Cristiano Ronaldo You are clutching at straws here Cristiano is not a striker/CF Scoring alot of goals=doesn't necessarily translate into being a striker Cristiano is a forward who also played midfielder for almost 300 games for club and country(2002-2008) Lionel Messi believes Cristiano Ronaldo can be compared to no one except himself https://www.sportbible.com/football...p-five-excluding-himself-and-ronaldo-20200125
That is what you believe R9 not wanting to put himself on the list doesn't mean he thinks he deserves to be on that list We have facts and we have your bogus interpretation of those facts Fact R9 believes CR is a top 4 all timer Your (bogus) interpretation R9 was being modest and didn't want to put himself forward for that position R9 could say red and you'd still say he meant to say blue