R16 July 2 Brasil v. Mexico [R]

Salmos · Jul 3, 2018

celito said: ↑

And amazingly VAR didn't "see it". Not even a yellow. He probably thought he made it look accidental enough that it wouldn't be obvious. That's how players think.
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I’m hoping that with a better use of VAR players won’t get away with provocations which will lead to less frustration from players who are often the target of it which will lead to these same players being punished if they also happen to be theatric divers.

Salmos · Jul 3, 2018

Guinho said: ↑

For sure. I have to wonder about the game theory. Is it that refs don't call fouls without it. Do stoic players get fewer calls? The sad reality is that I bet they do, which is why he does it.
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We have a very hot headed player in Chucky Lozano. Was the most fouled player 3-4 seasons in a row in Mexico and has picked up suspensions in Holland for his aggressiveness. Even then he’s not a theatric diver, despite being fouled over and over again. Has picked up some insane injuries and has been tackled down in ways where if things had gone slightly different, he would have picked up a career ending injury. Neymar is just a pansy. There’s a reason even some Brazilians hate him.

YankBastard · Jul 4, 2018

laurasoccerfreak · Jul 4, 2018

Hayaka said: ↑

Touched his breast? lol. You didn't see Barrios' head then go up and hit Henderson's chin? At about the 12 second mark.

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Actually if it was the breast or the chin it doesn't matter.
It wasn't an action in a strength that knocks out a 25 years old male athlete.
Of course it must be a red card. No doubt about it. To get a red card you don't need to knock out the opponent.
But if the guy falls down as if he had been assaulted by a grizzly bear, it's embellishment.
And nobody talks about it.
Because everybody is doing this. The guys know the VAR can be used, so they try to get the attention of the referees.
If this guy had 3 of these scenes in each match, he would do it 3 times in each match. And people would surely talk about it. Indeed they do. With Mr. Neymar Jr. It's the main subject in brazilian media (and perhaps also abroad) and Neymar bashing doesn't stop in brazilian social media.
This drives me nuts.

laurasoccerfreak · Jul 4, 2018

celito said: ↑

I think a lot of people don't realize how calculated that is. It's not stupidity. Layun was trying to provoke Neymar from the start of the 2nd half with a couple of pushes on the back before this. Neymar has a temperament and the goal is to getting him to react. Neymar's theatrics are much of the same. Trying to get attention from the ref to punish the opponent.
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Actually it's more than that. The player has to react in some form. "Aggressus retentum venenum est". Hot headed guys can't swallow for ever.
You can cry, you can shout, you can flounder, but you have to react physically.
If you do it in the direction of the opponent - or the referee - you're done. And Neymar has done this more than once.
The way he's reacting is actually cool.

celito · Jul 4, 2018

laurasoccerfreak said: ↑

Actually it's more than that. The player has to react in some form. "Aggressus retentum venenum est". Hot headed guys can't swallow for ever.
You can cry, you can shout, you can flounder, but you have to react physically.
If you do it in the direction of the opponent - or the referee - you're done. And Neymar has done this more than once.
The way he's reacting is actually cool.
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Exactly. I could deal with less exaggeration when he gets fouled. He needs better acting classes.

People say that's cynical, but so are intentional dirty tackles to wind a player up or systematic team fouling on one player like the Swiss did.

celito · Jul 4, 2018

laurasoccerfreak said: ↑

Actually if it was the breast or the chin it doesn't matter.
It wasn't an action in a strength that knocks out a 25 years old male athlete.
Of course it must be a red card. No doubt about it. To get a red card you don't need to knock out the opponent.
But if the guy falls down as if he had been assaulted by a grizzly bear, it's embellishment.
And nobody talks about it.
Because everybody is doing this. The guys know the VAR can be used, so they try to get the attention of the referees.
If this guy had 3 of these scenes in each match, he would do it 3 times in each match. And people would surely talk about it. Indeed they do. With Mr. Neymar Jr. It's the main subject in brazilian media (and perhaps also abroad) and Neymar bashing doesn't stop in brazilian social media.
This drives me nuts.
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People talk about Neymar more and ignore others because (1) he has a history of doing it and (2) he is a big name. And big name means views and money. People can talk all about Henderson making a meal out of the head butt, but nobody will really care that much.

Renato Goulart · Jul 4, 2018

It’s crazy how much criticism Neymar takes for overreacting to his fouls, and barely any attention is given to the players who hunt him down throughout the games.

Stepping on the ankle of a world-class athlete who recently came back from injury outside the field while he’s on the ground? That’s ok! Spinning around shrieking in pain? Unacceptable!

Neymar is one of, if not the most talented player in the world. Yet, cannot have the ball for more than five seconds without a thug pushing or kicking him down, at his coach’s instruction. We should encourage the game to protect the players that make it what it is. We need more Neymars and fewer Zuñigas and Layuns.