R16 July 2 Brasil v. Mexico [R]

You've gone from being 'violently stomped on' to 'fouled', you've accused me of allowing MMA to take place. It appears you are the one all over the place. Way too emotional and not very focused.

refereeing 10 years U-8 to amateur adults. Over 400 games. A grand total of 2 have ended up in the hospital. One broken leg and one girl who dehydrated rapidly due to her period. I totally blame myself for the latter.

 

Both should've been carded, TBH.

 

And since we have it, we should use it to punish and deter violent misconduct like Layun's.

 

Man of the Match: Neymar. #BRA pic.twitter.com/h3bauQKzem

— Match of the Day (@BBCMOTD) July 2, 2018

 

Um. now you're hallucinating. I never said fouled (play was stopped after all, so USB or VC, but not a foul), nor "violently stomped on". I suggested a stomping on you might help bring the issues at stake into focus for you, not that Layun stomped on Neymar. He clearly and intentionally stepped on him, but apparently that's ok to you.

And you aren't to blame for letting the game get out of control enough to result for a broken leg? Interesting.

 

The problem is that to be a red card it has to be 'brutal" which it isn't to a "clear and obvious standard". Clear and obvious yellow cards aren't subject to on field review from the VAR, so under the current rules, VAR isn't involved. Only in review of awarded red cards or obvious missed red cards. This is bright orange, and so not clear and obviously wrong in the failure to show red. It IS clearly wrong in the failure to show yellow for USB, but that's not something VAR is supposed to send down.

 

There's no basis for carding Neymar. He can't be feigning injury or a foul, since he was in fact stepped on. (without getting into the foul issues)

I could imagine a ref giving him a talking to saying that next time I feel you're diving, you're getting a card, so watch your step.

 

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Broken leg was from his own player running into him

 

This is the problem with what happened. Layun deliberately stepped on Neymar. He didn't do it out of the kindness of his heart or because he was being sporting. It was a cheap shot. There's no excuse for it.

I do think Neymar should however quit exaggerating and talk to the referee and the press again. He's not doing that. He's not pointing out that he had the broken foot a few months back. That at 2014, they came high with a knee into his back and broke his back, a play that saw no red card. He needs to make this an issue because what opponents are doing is fouling him deliberately, taking digs at him every time, and they're doing it with different players to avoid anyone from getting a second yellow or from getting that initial yellow for repeated offenses. The players are being instructed by their coaches to do this.

If the referees fail to act, I won't be surprised to see Neymar retaliate with his own digs at some point. If he lets this get to him, he might do something along the lines of what Ronaldo did against Iran that saw him almost sent off (and he would have been had it been vicious his elbow). And in Brazil, the press would love to blame him as a scapegoat should that cost Brazil the tournament.

 

In the end, though, I agree with Neymar in that he tried to get the referee to give Layun a red card. If Layun is stupid enough to try to cause injury, then F*CK him. Let him hurt Mexico by getting himself thrown out of a World Cup round of 16 match.

 

If Neymar wins the WC will he be ranked above Ronaldo Fenomeno?

 

I am not a fan of simulation at all, but Neymar didn't fake contact. Without a doubt he exaggerated how much pain he was in...but is that punishable as deception? Do we punish all the Mexican players for throwing their hands up trying to get an offside call when the play wasnt offside? Do we punish players that signal the throw-in incorrectly as a way to deceived the official?

If FIFA is going to clean it up they need a law to address it, but exaggerating contact/injury can be quite hard to judge.

 

No, only if he wins another WC title. Because Ronaldo won two, but only one did he actually play a key role in.

 

In which world are we living when the most mentioned actor of that scene is Neymar and not Layún?
Oh my goodness ... I have years of women football behind me and I know what is typical to men's football:
1) diving, whining, exaggerating fouls
2) hard body checks, at the limit to violence
And I do accept these as "male" characteristics. This has always been like this, we have always laughed at it and this is ok.
But when you step deliberately on the ankle of another player outside any action this is not "male" acting. This is simply coward! And in any situation this is a red card!
And this is also how we always looked at it.
It's as if it's because it was against whining Neymar it's ok - he complains too much and makes too much theater out of everything, so he deserves it.
C'mon. You can hate Neymar as much as you want, but when you insist on bashing him for that scene and ignore what his opponent did, you're not only a hater. You're a complete moron.
And as much as I also don't like Neymar's theater acting, he's not the only one in this WC and also not in football history.
But I have the impression that his only chance to survive the tournament is really showing how he's chased on the pitch. And try to get some attention from the referees.
Or did we forget that exactely for this reason he finished the last WC on crutches and almost missed this one now?

 

Here is the great thing about the LOTG. They are mostly subjective about how you enforce them.

It is black and white if the ball is in or if its out. Everything else has some degree of subjectivity.

Is the ref within his right to card such deception you describe above? I suppose, but you won't be refereeing very long.

FIFA won't change the law, but they will instruct refs how they want it interpreted if Neymar-rolling becomes a repeated issue done by many.

 

It is already repeated constantly.
In all matches you find players trying to have their opponents get yellow or red cards by exaggerating the contacts.
Like right now the english player against Colombia. Such a stupid action by the colombian player should indeed give him a red card. Because it was clearly an aggression. But his head touched lightly the guy's breast, and yet he felt down as if he had been knocked out by Mike Tyson.
English players are commonly fair. But in such a situation you have a chance to change the game completely if the opponent gets a red card.
Will we talk about this english player? No. I don't even know which one he was.
But with Neymar this happens the whole time because he's fouled the whole time.
This is how they stop him because differently from many other forwards, he's commonly vertical in his actions and tries to get through. And only being yellow carded they refrain from stop him with fouls.
Again, as much as I don't like it, this is his way to have the guys being yellowed.
In the same way as the guys try to provoke him with light actions, since they know he can explode lightly.

 

Touched his breast? lol. You didn't see Barrios' head then go up and hit Henderson's chin? At about the 12 second mark.

 

For sure. I have to wonder about the game theory. Is it that refs don't call fouls without it. Do stoic players get fewer calls? The sad reality is that I bet they do, which is why he does it.