R16 Analysis: PAR-JPN - De Bleeckere (BEL)

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    Match #55. Paraguay v Japan, second round
    Referee: Frank De Bleeckere (Belgium)
    Assistants: Peter Hermans (Belgium) and Walter Vromans (Belgium)
    Fourth official: Peter O'Leary (New Zealand)
     
  2. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First half, Silva should have gotten a caution (at least) for his tackle from behind making contact on Honda's upper calf, just below the knee. This was also the second or third time that De Bleeckere did the tweet-tweet-tweet and finger wag.

    At some point the players stop believing you.
     
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Yay! Another deliberate handball = misconduct comment!
     
  4. JeremyMTL

    JeremyMTL New Member

    Oct 3, 2009
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Anyone else thinks the ref is too whistle-happy? I feel the flow of the game is being disturbed.
     
  5. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Just missed a straight red IMO.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    UGH! I've got to say his assistants have let him down again. Clear red card for elbowing right in front of him and no help given.

    I would love to see De Bleeckere with the two English ARs!
     
  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Two ridiculous cautions for USB handling. WTF is FIFA telling these refs?
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    I don't understand. There has to be some sort of weird instruction about handling and cautions. The announcers were wrong--that was most certainly deliberate--but there's no way that was misconduct. I don't get it. I've never seen De Bleeckere give a caution for that.
     
  9. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
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    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 57' card was for Delay of Restart because Matsui kicked the ball away after the whistle.






    Aaarrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhh! He cards Honda for a botched chest trap in the 92nd. :( That's absurd.
     
  10. HowardF64

    HowardF64 New Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    Attacking handling = yellow card?

    Seems like it's going that way every single time. Is there anyone with more time and resources go back and check how consistently that's being called this Cup? Was there a directive to the refs to do this?
     
  11. CanadaFTW

    CanadaFTW Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    Almost seems like any sort of "intentional" handling is an automatic yellow card.
     
  12. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    exactly. Did the match need that caution on Honda? Simple handling foul and get on with it. Lots of these guys seem to think any handling foul requires a caution. Just bizarre. And then the forearm violence goes totally unpunished.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    Some of this is not the De Bleeckere we've seen in the UCL. At this point in the tournament, as frustrating as a few of these calls have been, I've got to believe that he knows the score (appointment-wise) and is doing what is asked of him. I don't think anything thus far--with the possible exception of the elbow missed by the AR--disqualifies him from consideration for the Final.
     
  14. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    I really don't like seeing stupid handball stuff being cautioned when cautions are not shown for players coming in and clipping the opponent after the ball has been played away.
     
  15. Latin Pride

    Latin Pride Member

    Aug 1, 2004
    In your house
    Club:
    Olimpia Asuncion
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I love it how everyone is talking about the unfair calls against Japan but no mention of the tons against Paraguay including the elbow to Villar's face.

    The biases here are incredible. :rolleyes:

    Ref has been bad for both teams.
     
  16. bluedevils

    bluedevils Member

    Nov 17, 2002
    USA
    Give me a break.
     
  17. PVancouver

    PVancouver Member

    Apr 1, 1999
    Agree. That was a strange one.

    When did the uncalled elbows occur?
     
  18. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems like you don't get the point of this forum. This is for referee analysis.

    Do you think Paraguy have been aggrieved in some way? Give examples. Times, actions, cards, what? Don't come in here saying "Bias grr". Come in here saying "In minute <>, I thought the call for <> against Paraguay was incorrect. What did everyone think? Was it positioning? did he see something we didnt? Law <> seems to agree with what I thought, but I'm just curious as to what everyone else thought."

    Of course no one talks like that, but my point is easy to see. This isn't a forum to go "lol bad refs" it's a forum to go "That call was strange. Does anyone see what he saw?" Yes, referees make bad calls, and we are here to figure out what was the reason for that bad call. Or maybe it was a good call, and you didn't get a good look at it. Maybe it's an ITOOTR call. There's plenty of possibilities here.

    For my money, I can't really add anything new to the thread, re: De Bleeckere's performance. It's been pretty good. His AR let him down on the elbow, and that caution for deliberate handling (and it was, don't let the commentators fool you. Well IMO at least) was strange, but, as has been said, DB is a good ref and wouldn't caution for *that* unless FIFA has told him to do it. He knows what he has to do to get another game, so he is doing it.
     
  19. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    83rd minute?
     
  20. dclark5ref

    dclark5ref New Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh my... not sure about that last caution against Japan. It was a little late but much more careless than reckless... and it takes him out of quarterfinals if Japan advances.

    Overall, game management has been good but I just think some of the cautions have been inconssistent.
     
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Another one.
     
  22. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    ok, that was another completely ridiculous caution
     
  23. CanadaFTW

    CanadaFTW Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    Another yellow for handling that also didn't seem needed (bounced from his foot to his hand).
     
  24. dclark5ref

    dclark5ref New Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is another caution for handling... I am now convinced there is a FIFA WC directive. Just wish FIFA would let the rest of us in on it so that we wouldn't spend so many keystrokes discussing it! LOL
     
  25. seadondo

    seadondo Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Redondo Beach
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not unless it results in a goal (read: Luis Fabiano).
     

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