R16 Analysis: GER-ENG - Larrionda (URU)

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Match #51 - Germany v. England, Round of 16
    Referee: Larrionda (URU)
    Assistant 1: Fandino (URU)
    Assistant 2: Espinosa (URU)
    Fourth Official: Vazquez (URU)
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe Larrionda's crew sets a record here by being the first 4-man crew on a World Cup knockout stage match to all be from the same country (obviously the 5th man is Uruguayan, too, but that position is still relatively new).

    As for this match... I would not put the odds of Jamie Carragher still being on the field after 90 or 120 minutes at anything better than 50/50.
     
  3. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    What's the over / under for red cards for this match? I'd guess it'd be set at 1.5, knowing Larrionda's history and the history of these two teams.

    Will be interesting to see how he handles his cards in this one.
     
  4. celeste4life

    celeste4life Member

    Dec 16, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    CA Peñarol
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    Oh boy.... my homeboy gets another tough matchup when he struggles to referee in our local league
     
  5. NJDevils1087

    NJDevils1087 Member

    Jun 25, 2010
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Wigan Athletic FC
    Amazingly, I think Larrionda has been in the upper echelons of the tournament officials list here in 2010. Coming from an American who remembers ITA-USA 2006, I think that's saying a lot.
     
  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good offside decision around the 5th minute.
     
  7. vetshak

    vetshak Member+

    May 26, 2009
    Minnesota
    OK, hopefully somebody will agree with me that the offside call at 3 minues was wrong.:eek: The German back was unpressured and pushed the ball over his backs. That was not a deflection... Rooney was right to be upset.
     
  8. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh boy.

    Here come the OS deflection/control discussions..............
     
  9. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    Agreed, and again comical that the commentators can't even explain to the viewers why or why not there was a debate if it was called offside.
     
  10. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bit worried about that Cole/Podolski challenge in the 12th minute. I saw a red coming when he took that bad touch.
     
  11. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    HOOOOOOOOOOO HAAAAAAAAA

    (do I have to remain neutral ??)
     
  12. seadondo

    seadondo Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Redondo Beach
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you mean the Cole/Muller challenge? Cole went in studs up, but it wasn't towards the player. It looks like Larrionda is letting them play.
     
  13. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. I didn't mean it was a red, I meant when I saw the bad touch, I could see a red coming before they went in.
     
  14. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please...please...please tell me the commentator didn't just call the German goal offside. IT WAS A GOAL KICK.


    I'm going to go sit in a corner and cry.
     
  15. Drae

    Drae Member+

    Jun 26, 2006
    Australia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Forgive my ignorance, but does the offside rule not apply to a goal kick?
     
  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nope. You can't be offside if you receive the ball directly from a goal kick, corner kick, or throw in.
     
  17. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There should have been a caution to Upson on Klose's goal.
     
  18. Kempa

    Kempa Member

    Sep 6, 2007
    Washington Suburbs
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not for goal kicks, throw-ins, and corner kicks.
     
  19. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To use a common English term, what a howler of ignorance by the color commentator. He needs to bone up on the laws of the game. Repeat on the broadcast ten times a player is not offside on a goal kick.
     
  20. Lighting Guy

    Lighting Guy New Member

    May 31, 2009
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    Well, wasn't just the commentator since they did that offside shadow thing from the truck; that basically makes the commentator comment about it I think. Oops all around!
     
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And there we go. Extra assistants in 2014.
     
  22. vetshak

    vetshak Member+

    May 26, 2009
    Minnesota
    Holy goal-line technology Batman:eek:
     
  23. Kempa

    Kempa Member

    Sep 6, 2007
    Washington Suburbs
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Big miss for AR in England's "second goal". It looked like it was in in the run of play, and replay confirmed.
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We've said for awhile it would take a controversy in a major World Cup match to get us goal line technology. And now we have it.
     
  25. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    Yup....and I really don't think the AR could have done much but guess as he did.
     

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