R. Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by Manolo, Oct 9, 2010.

  1. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    I wanted to open this thread up because already I'm seeing bad signs. The same signs I feared when we signed this guy up. He doesn't know our players, how to organize them, or how to motivate them. I don't consider myself a tactical expert, but there are things that are jumping out at me when I watch these games. Now we've lost to Colombia and Venezuela, two teams that we need to be beating if we want to make a serious effort to qualify in 2014.

    Here's my opinion of the friendly vs. Colombia last night in NJ.

     
  2. damnecuadorian

    Mar 11, 2007
    SF & NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    How long did we sign this guy up for? We're probably stuck with him for the Copa America, but I hope we can get someone else before the qualifiers start.
     
  3. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    everything you said was right. right now rueda is adapting and learning our team. but he's doing it the hard way. you pointed out the exact same errors I saw. rueda hasn't solved the main issue we have: Getting scored on in the last few minutes of a game. the goal was 95% defensive mid error. Can't really blame the defense and definitely not Baguera who had another great game.
     
  4. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    I think we need to have a little patience, Rueda is still trying different players.

    Bolillo and Suarez were notorious for performing poorly in friendlies.

    As we can see with Hurtado and Espinoza gone, the new defenders, guagua, mina, caicedo, checa, have pretty much sucked.

    We no longer have a decent right back since Ulises.

    Castillo's and Valencia's Injuries have really hurt the midfield.

    And Benitez as usual, can score a buttload of goals in mexico, but can do very little in the NT.

    At the end of the day it will all come down to having another Tin Delgado who can score when it matters. If we don't, not even Mourinho will take us to the next world cup.
     
  5. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    bolillo and Suarez didn't suck at friendlies. Ecuador has Always under preformed in friendlies it's no surprise. Guagua and Mina did a lot better than checa and caicedo. the goal occurred b/c of a def. mid error. noboa had to be the 5 and Quiroz had to move up and down the mid helping Noboa get the ball and distribute it to the wings and forwards when we had possession. Quiroz's job was to take long distance shots outside the box as well, that's not noboas job. Rueda assigned the wrong tasks to the WRONG PEOPLE. Same thing with Benitze and Jaime Ayovi. Wrong roles were assigned b/c Rueda lacks knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses our guys have. Yesterdays game was in most part due to his errors and when that happens it's even more upsetting.

    we definitely had more than enough material to win yesterdays game but if rueda does read the game and know how to strategize correctly with our guys then this is gonna happen a lot
     
  6. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    I believe we need to give this guy more than a couple games.
     
  7. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    Yes they did suck at friendlies, and copa america and pretty much everything but WCQ games.

    Guagua has had a bad season at ldu and wasn't great on the NT, wasn't any better that what Cuchara did.
    Noboa is NOT a #5 and its a waste to use him in the position, we have planty of good #5 and we can give more freedom to someone like Noboa.

    Benitez and Ayovi are playing their first games together, a little bit early to have them become Zamorano and Salas.
     
  8. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    The only conclusion we can draw from the Poland game is that Rueda should have known that 6 players were not going to be available. Other than that, it's hard to know what he did tactically since he didn't have many choices of starters or subs.
     
  9. siempreazul

    siempreazul Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    Queens, New York
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    Profesor Rueda should look into the Serie B. He should pick the top scorer of the Serie B and give him a chance at the National Team. A player that knows how to score goals could do it anywhere. It worked for Vizuete, when he placed Montero from Independiente del Valle that at that time was in the Serie B and the rest is history. Of course, this player has to meet the top qualifications that would benefit the team.
     
  10. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    Interview with Rueda

    http://marcador.ec/notas/2010/10/26...-un-parametro-importante-pero-no-determinante

    ¿Dónde radican las semejanzas entre las selecciones de Honduras y Ecuador?
    Se asemeja mucho la sensibilidad de los jugadores, del gusto por hacer un buen fútbol, de tener una raza como la que tiene Ecuador en su selección en alto porcentaje, que son muy potentes, que son hombres de un excelente biotipo. Y por lo que es la esencia de la expresión futbolística.


    Basically, it's good we have a lot of black guys. ;)
     
  11. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    when people call our players "n*gros hp son malos etc etc" I'm always so thankful our country is filled with great black athletes. Height, speed, and strength. and on top of that they're talented. Such a plus for the NT. BE Jealous!
     
  12. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    I can just imagine that being said by a coach in the U.S. Would be considered so politically incorrect!
     
  13. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    Cuanta plata ganaba Bielsa con la seleccion chilena?
     
  14. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy-CHILE ABORTO EL GOLDEN BOY

    mas de 30 mil al mes y bonificaciones, pero lo alto del precio es el paquete salarial que el presento antes de contratarse hace 3 an`os
    en colombia pidio 2millones y una sede dedicada a la seleccion- los brutos dijeron que era mucho.
    en chile le dieron mas de los 2.3 millones y una sede con todos lo lujos, el mismo lunes cuando se despedia de la prensa, incluso dijo que el projecto iva tan bien que le gustaria invertir dinero propio en el!!

    en definitiva no se cuanto se llevaba al mes!!!
    otro dato que escuche ayer, chile cobraba por amistoso 50mil, pero despues del mundial con Bielsa, esa cifra se multiplico y la busqueda de patrocinador o camiseta de marca nueva haria otra millonada.
     
  15. colombo

    colombo Member

    Jul 25, 2006
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy-CHILE ABORTO EL GOLDEN BOY

    Esta como mal de math este man, estamos hablando de mas de 200 mil al mes, de todas formas el al principio a Colombia no le pidio tanto, fueron como 150,000 mes, lo que si pidio fue sede, pero se asustaron porque el man era serio.
     
  16. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    oiga a este loko......los 2 millones no son para dividir por 12 meses..ME SALIO MATEMATICO O ARITMETICO:eek:

    el combo y projecto incluia como a 7 tipos para darles distintos salarios, pueden ser mas de 7..... en su cuerpo tecnico....tiene hasta un man que maneja estadisticas en ese combo. TODOS COBRAN
     
  17. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    We played a 4-5-1 last night. Benitez was alone up front. Arroyo and Rojas were out wide, and Saritama, Castillo and Quiroz played centrally. This is an interesting change, and it obviously worked out, especially in the first half because we kept the ball and pressed them hard which forced them into making mistakes.
     
  18. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    Re: Rueda - Coaching, tactics and strategy

    en mejico se enloquecian con Rueda cuando usaba ese sistema, le decian miedoso, que le gustaba el bunker system, que ponia el bus atraz. Pues era facil que 2 de la linea de 5 en el medio se sumaran a la defensa, cuando buscaba un resultado de visitante.
    en colombia le decian que era un poco miedoso, con el material de delanteros en esos dias.

    good deal is your approval in that formation....is all roses when you win, and a great relief to get rid of a rival that was a problem to solve lately.
     
  19. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    OK, that was 7 months ago. I don't see ONE sign of improvement. Not ONE.

    Honestly, I was deep down hoping that Colombia would just start scoring a bunch of goals and make it embarrassing, so that Chiriboga would come under pressure to fire Rueda.

    I don't blame the players. They did what they know, and for the most part, they performed as expected. But let's analyze the team selection and tactics a bit further, shall we?

    1. Our starting midfield consisted of 3 defensive-oriented midfielders (Saritama, Noboa, Castillo), a former left winger who has played as a left back for most of the last 5 years of his career (W. Ayovi), and a right winger who is barely match fit after being injured for 6 months (Valencia).

    2. Our defense consisted of 1 wingback converted to central defender (Mina), and 2 completely inexperienced wingbacks (Paredes, Nazareno) - and when I say inexperienced, I mean no national team experience, not even international club tournament experience...ZERO experience. And it showed. Bad.

    3. The starting goalkeeper and striker (Dominguez, J. Ayovi) have probably a combined 5 appearances at this level.

    So let's see...based on the above, this lineup consisted of 3 defensive midfielders, 4 wingbacks, a right winger who hasn't played in 6 months, and a goalkeeper and striker that have barely played at this level. So you have 10 players either out of position, or not ready to play 90 minutes at this level. A few were BOTH.

    AT LEAST HE GOT JAIRO CAMPOS RIGHT!!!!!! :rolleyes:

    I'm sorry, but this coach SUCKS. Send his ass right back to Colombia or Honduras.
     
  20. viagoal

    viagoal Member

    Jan 5, 2005
    Exactly ! Even I knew he had the wrong line up and I have ZERO coaching experience. LOL
     
  21. Spencer

    Spencer Member

    Mar 11, 2002
    Quito
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    No es justo, nuestra seleccion no se merece un tecnico de tercer nivel como ese cholo del rueda....el tipo parece DT del Aucas....pero de la seleccion? Es una burla....este chiriboga es un maldito mafioso de la gran p....
    Como se decia aca, algunos jugadores fueron puestos fuera de posicion. Paredes jugo el peor partido d su vida, fue un horror. Talvez en parte por el posicionamiento....él es un jugador OFENSIVO....y ese tecnico de mierdda lo pone a hacer labores defensivas que Paredes realmente no esta acostumbrado. Nazareno otra huevada.....esos dos fueron los peores. Bueno....en fin la la mayoria muy mal....la grata sorpresa fue, y ya por segunda vez, Saritama...de ahi Montero sensacional pero le falta trabajar en la decision final. Realmente creo que en general es culpa de ese tecnico de tercera....aca nos merecemos algo MUCHO mejor....
     
  22. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    I had to delete some offensive remarks. Please keep it civil. At the end of the day, Colombia and Ecuador are brother countries.
     
  23. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I was honestly one of the people that was always against Paredes being a right back and that retarded 4-5-1 system that I don't recall Ecuador using that since the stone age. JC Paredes doesn't not have the build of a player with defensive qualities and even has problems pulling up from our side of the field to the opponents. This is as absurd as putting Michael Arroyo in the left back position, no one would do that unless your retarded like Rueda of course.

    All we honestly have is Neicer Reasco, Mario Pineida, and Miguel Ibarra who is the most unfortunate person to play in Barcelona and rot a good yr of his career there. If he were at Liga THAT was the ideal candidate to claim that spot. The few times he had a shot, he did pretty damn well. Neicer is still in good shape IMO and Pineida is a bit more defensive out of the three but he's solid and starts regularly in Independiente. Nazareno is attack oriented and scares me when it's time to defend. He's not ready to be a starter. And he's a huge idiot for rejecting to leave Barcelona this yr to play in. a team that will give him international recognition and where he'll improve dramatically. His loss and in turn it's ours too.
     
  24. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Newark
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Well its about time I put my two cents in...Fire Rueda!!! And no Im not over reacting to yesterdays lost, im over that, I never had faith in Rueda. Not from the begining and definetaly not now. First thing I wanna say WTF are Palacios, Saritama, and Minda doing on the NT. They all suck. I know some ppl like Saritama, I never did. Hes and average player for Dep Quito but hes been garbage whenever hes played for the NT. Same thing for Minda. What really ticks me off is the Palacios calling.

    As for the Parades discussion, he had that good game at RB when we played Mexico, after that hes showed why he is better suited as a winger coming of the bench. Guerron should have been called up for these two friendlies. Hes been playing extremely well wherever they put him. Another player who should been called up was Ibarra.

    The situation is complicated, we have yet to find a quality backline. We have players playing out of position. Another thing is Klimo should have started in place of Dominguez. Hes been playing well with Emelec, prob among the best keepers playing in Ecuador right now. Dominguez has never convinced me (srry Liga fans). He looks more nervous than a white kid walking into an all black ghetto neighborhood.
     
  25. Spencer

    Spencer Member

    Mar 11, 2002
    Quito
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    concuerdo con todo, menos con lo de Saritama. Para mi antes no tenía nivel de selección y siempre cuando tenía una oportunidad en la tri le quedba grande la camiseta....
    Pero los dos últimos partidos se ha sacado la madre el man, ha sido el más luchador de la cancha, ha recuperado balones y le ha hecho bien al equipo. No tiene el mismo talento que otros pero lo sustituye con entrega y huevos.
    Tampoco creo que debería ser titular pero si que esté en la banca de la tri.
    Lo de Palacios es inaudito...cualquiera que no es técnico pero sabe algo de fútbol se da cuenta que ese tipo ni siquiera debería ser futbolista. jaja como me decía mi hermano ayer, parece mesero de cevichería más que futbolista :D Es bien pero bieeeen malo ese man y es el peor futbolista en jugar con la tri en años...Minda obviamente tampoco debería estar ahi, es bien malo ese man tambien.
    jaja eso del black gettho neighborhood si es ahuevante....cuando vivía en Boston, una vez regresando de una fiesta borracho, caminé solito 4 horas hasta la casa porque alla no hay buses ni metro en la madrugada y me metí sin querer a un barrio de esos....pensé que no iba a salir vivo de ahi jaja, me andaban persiguiendo un buen rato, hasta que empezé a correr y me safé de esa nota...es como meterse aca en la Ofelia, la Marín o la Bota en la noche...
     

Share This Page