Questions regarding English Fans?

United.

Everton.

Millwall, Cardiff, Scunthorpe, Forest, United, Doncaster

Depends on circumstances. City are the ones most often quoted.

Middlesbrough, Villa, Wednesday

 

weds average 22,000+ after finishing 16th in div 2...as well as having about 15,000 season ticket holders...
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attendance?league=ENG.3&year=2003&cc=5739
so the suggestion that the fans turn the back on them during the bad times is horsesh1t.

To answer your questions...

1)man utd
2)cardiff
3)cardiff
4)man city ,west ham
5)sunderland (see their average attendance drop by about 20,000 in 2 years)

 

1. Man Utd

2. Any of the Welsh clubs

3. Cardiff, Stoke, Millwall

4. Man City have a good reputation in this department

5. Newcastle (despite the media-concocted myth of 'the passionate Geordie support')

 

Any gloryhunting set of fans is annoying but you can't take them seriously, so I'd go with the social-climbers. The "we'll never play you again" brigade. Any set of fans who think they "deserve" to be in their "rightful place" of the premiership, despite being on the whole a Div 1 club.

West Ham. Their fans do their best to conform to every inner-city stereotype going.

Cardiff.

Carlisle. They've been abysmal for years on end, but get good support for Div 3, and from next year, the conference. Fans of the smaller clubs around Manchester such as Bury deserve a mention, as do fans of Brentford and Leyton Orient.

Generally it's a case of easy come, easy go, with clubs that have picked up a lot of fans during a brief good spell who'll lose them quickest when things turn sour.

 

Cardiff fans arent English.

 

still part of the english league though...

 

Thank you - my mate got tickets for every European game up to the semi final, and there were still some to spare - come the smell of a final you couldn't get a ticket for love nor money. Average attendances pre-Keegan were poor, but ask any regular now and they swear that they haven't missed a game since before they were born. They are also the only supporters I know whose songs seem to be more about themselves than the team.

 

Here we go again with the Newcastle bashing. When we finished 13th twice in a row our attendences were 94%. In fact if you both to actually look at the figures instead of just poring out boll0cks you would know that Newcastle have had over 75% of there maximum capacity every season since WW2. You want poor support look down the road at Sunderland, last season 47,000 average this season in the fa cup semi final they only got 35,000. European games are easy to get tickets because they are all ticket games and it's first come first served, and our club is greedy so it added £10 on per ticket

 

That's where we went wrong....

Our first round in the CL cost as much as our Semi-Final tickets..... £25 per ticket no matter where in the ground you sat. UEFA Cup tickets were £20.

 

Would you like to back this up with some figures and comparisons?

St James's Park has being playing to virtually full capacity for home league games since 1992. Does that qualify as supporters "turning their back" on a club that hasn't won a trophy for 35 years?

 

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/archive/aveeng91.htm

Capacity of St James Park 30000+

As I said, pre-Keegan the crowds were poor - I'm not disputing that Newcastle have been well supported since Keegan took over - the crowd for his first game in charge was double the average for that season. What I take offence at is the many geordies I meet who swear that crowds have always been huge. Regardless of the price for European games, they could not sell out their Champions League games the other year.

 

Crowds were "poor" in relation to what? They were much lower than today's, but weren't bad in relation to the club's performance and the general level of football attendances at that time.

This sort of discussion has been done to death on these boards, but the things to come out of previous ones were:

* Comparisons with years gone by are misleading, as football in general has undergone a huge surge in popularity, particularly since the start of the Premier League

* The pattern of attending games has changed radically since all-seater stadia were introduced at the higher levels; before season tickets became the only way of being sure of seeing games at many clubs, the range of attendances (i.e. between the lowest and highest in a season) was quite marked. A team could have a sell out one weekend and only fill half the stadium the next. The average attendance wouldn't reflect the reality of the pattern of attendances.

I agree that few of last season's CL games were sold out last season (in fact, I think only the game with Barcelona) but as has been mentioned before that was largely down to pricing policy. Season tickets at Newcastle are expensive and as an area it is not really economically flourishing. Someone earning, say, £15k a year and paying £400 for a season ticket may think twice about paying another £30 for a cup game. In any event, I don't see how getting 40,000+ for these games can be characterised as "turning your back" on an unsuccessful team.


Anyone who claims that Newcastle has always had huge crowds is just ignorant. In the 1970s and 1980s I attended several games with sub-10,000 attendances in the old second division. Nevertheless, even in those days Newcastle's average attendances were relatively high for football as a whole and particularly for that division at the time.

You don't have to go too far back (e.g. late 1980s) to find Manchester United having attendances of less than 30,000 at Old Trafford

 

lanman beat me to it with the stats.

I'm not having a pop at Newcastle, I just get sick of the constant media references to 'passionate Geordies', as if they are some sort of benchmark for loyal support - when they are no more or less passionate or loyal than many other clubs.

 

The crowds were poor in relation to the view held by many "fans" I talk to every day at work - unfortunately these are the ignorant people you mention (most of them can't name the manager before Ardiles). Ask them if they are going to the game and they say no because you can't get a ticket, but then ask them if they went to see Valerenga and they start squirming. There is no disputing that they have a large following, but this belief that everyone in Newcastle supports the team is simply not true despite the media insistance on the "best fans in the world" - something I have also only heard sung at Newcastle.

 

Actually, I was probably being unfair when I listed them as fair-weather fans. But they do get massively over-hyped and unjustifiably praised IMO.

 

Fat geordies with their shirts off in cold weather make me laugh.

 

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Has got to be West Ham, but their Cockneys(East Londoners,Eastenders) so it's understandable.

 

And their grammar is terrible, too!

 

The people you refer to are obviously tossers and deserve to be humiliated by you.

I think the song in question refers to "the loyallest supporters the world has ever had". It might be true for 20% of the current supporters but that is the tops.

It makes me cringe when I hear it because I remember those games with teams like Wrexham, Cambridge and Leyton Orient with only around 10k in the ground.

 

Your apology is accepted!

I agree that the media created the image in the early 90s and it is overplayed hugely.

 

Bloody hell, I'm surprised you even got 10k for that one

 

In the early eighties, we played a division 2 game with Cambridge with a crowd of just over 25,000 (it was the team of Keegan, McDermott and Waddle - I think before Beardsley joined).

I remember that there were precisely two Cambridge fans in the away section.

To be fair, there were another half dozen or so in the stands.

Cambridge were into their record-breaking run of games without a win - which ended by beating Newcastle.

I went to a Serie B game in October (Verona - Albinoleffe). Albinoleffe had 12 supporters in the away section. They had 4 medical support staff and 24 carabinieri to look after them!

 

mobile, where were you a few months ago when i fought the good fight all alone in an epic battle that lasted for many days, claiming that the geordies had an over hyped reputation as the "most passionate fans." i could've used you then my friend. i concur...it really pisses me off. it's a claim with absolutely nothing to back it up, aside from loads of meaningless drivel about how "you don't understand..football is a religion in the north east". they have some loyal fans, and their away support in particular is always excellent, but they're nothing extaordianary.

 

Er, no you didn't. You ended up reducing your claim to that and then I agreed with you.

You started with a load of absolute cr@p about how Newcastle have average gates of over 60k but a few years ago had average gates of 10k (both assertions complete bollocks) and that somehow you could prove from the fact that Wolves had lower gates than Newcastle that they were "better" supporters.

As far as I am concerned, quality of support isn't to do with numbers and I am happy to agree that the reputation of NE supporters has been blown out of proportion by the media.