Questions about the current player pool. Why...?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Mglnbea, Jun 7, 2008.

  1. Mglnbea

    Mglnbea Member

    Jun 26, 2001
    Northern California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First off, this is not (necesarily) a Bob Bradley Bashing Thread.
    Many posters on those kinds of threads are citing the weakness, or lack of depth, of our current USMNT player pool.

    I am fairly aware of the USMNT soccer history before 1980, but, for the sake of conversation, let's call 1980 the beginning of the US' "modern era" (rather than 1990 for reasons that I will soon point out).


    Since 1980, a 28-year period, the US has participated in five of the seven senior World Cups, qualifying for every one since 1990.

    Since 1980 the US has qualified for every FIFA Olympic soccer tournament with the exception of only one (2004), although the US did not participate in the '80 Olympics because of the Moscow Games boycott. Still, this means that the US has participated in five Olympic tournaments in that time span.

    Since 1980, the US has qualified and played in 11 different U-20 Youth World Cups (missing only in '91 and '95).

    The US has qualified for every U-17 FIFA Youth Cup since it began in 1985, a total of 12 different participations.

    While the NASL went out of business after 1994, and the US was left without "first division" soccer for a twelve year period, MLS is now in its 13th season, and MLS has played its American players far, far more than the NASL ever did. (We also have USL and PDL and I don't know how many other "third and fourth division" leagues we now have.)

    The United States has played host to one World Cup and two Olympic tournaments since 1980, not to mention hosting a Pan Am Games (1987), two Women's World Cups, and various U-17 and U-20 qualifying matches.

    The FIFA Confederations Cup began in 1992. Since then, there have been seven editions and the US has qualified to participate in three of them (four of eight, half) with the next one in 2009.

    If you want, you can even include that the US has participated in four out of five FIFA Futsal Tournaments, and all three of FIFA's Beach Tournaments. :)))

    The Bradenton full time residency program is now in its ninth year and in that time period 170 players have come through the program, with over 60 of them graduating on to MLS or professional leagues in Europe.

    There are currently over three million youth players registered with USYSA, let's say half of them are boys. What are the estimates of how many millions of youth players, boys at every level of youth soccer in this country (rec, competitive, travel teams, ODP, select teams, etc. etc. etc.), have played since 1980? You can also count in the number of boys and young men who have played soccer in high school and various levels of college ball since 1980 in the hundreds of thousands. Many (some?) of those college players have also gone on to play professionally in the US.

    We may not have have produced any world class, international-level, stars as of yet, but the US currently has more players than ever playing professionally in leagues around the world.

    Finally, the USSF has googobs of $$$, mainly courtesy of the '94 World Cup but also the attendance figures for the USMNT's WC Qualifying games for its last five cycles completely dwarfs what they used to draw before 1980, not to mention the revenues for the increased interest, and sheer number, of internationals played in this country since 1980, probably starting with pre-'84 Olympic matches.



    So, given all that, why do we have such a "shallow depth of a players' pool" where one or two injured players (Donavan/Altidore and some more perhaps), or one or two tired players coming off a long season (Dempsy, Oneyewu, et. al.), or a player or two recovering from injuries (Beasley) all contribute to a Bob Bradley "just not having the players to choose from"?

    Why?
     
  2. American Arsenal

    Jun 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we have the players. It's just they're not being given a fair opportunity to showcase their ability.
     
  3. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We do not identify talent early enough in comparison to other nations competing on the world stage. I mean no offense to anyone who has played collegiately, but none of our best players today wasted four years of their lives playing NCAA soccer, and that is no coincidence. The training received in college is poor compared to what is provided in the better youth academies of the world. MLS is finally getting around to starting some academies, Friedel is putting major investment into his own, so I think this aspect is only going to improve with time. I'm sure that opinion will ruffle some feathers, but you don't have to examine the list of the best American players or prospects for too long to notice the correlation.



    Donovan - no college
    Beasley - no college
    Howard - none
    Bradley - none
    Onyewu - left early
    Zizzo - left early
    Rogers - left early
    Adu - no college
    Altidore - no college
    Edu - left early
    Kljestan - left early
    Guzan - left early
    Convey - no college
    Szetela - no college


    I know there are some exemptions out there, but I think the best players aren't really served by the college system.
     
  4. whip

    whip Member

    Aug 5, 2000
    HOUSTON TEXAS
    First things first.....How many AMERICAN BORN AND RAISE PLAYERS COULD YOU NAME FROM 1980 TO 1990....? There was even a joke back then that within the USA TEAM many players did not speak English without an
    accent..

    Now back to your question....Why a shallow depth of players ?....Because 85 percent of soccer coaches in the USA come from a college/high school background ......Our player identification system is close to none.......It took SUENO MLS to find Jorge Flores ...(what happen to our scouts..?:D they suck?)....There is not a grooming mechanism to prep potential players and the sad part about all this.....MANY DIRECTIVES ARE NOT EVEN AWARE OF IT.....
     
  5. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    Why is our pool not as deep? Because soccer just began growing in this country. Not only that, but there are so many other sports to play here. In Brazil, you're in the minority if you don't play futbol. If you're in England, you're in the minority if you don't kick the ball around. Here, it is more of the norm if you don't play.

    Also, as has been pointed out, the college level sucks (for the most part) at grooming our future talent. How many games do college teams play? 20? Simply not enough. The acadamies will do wonders for our player development, but it will take time and patience by the fans.
     
  6. whip

    whip Member

    Aug 5, 2000
    HOUSTON TEXAS
    No we do not need no patience....:mad:What we need is some ACTION ....The federation need to realize that their best efforts are not enough a total restructuring is way over due....
     

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