As A Brondby fan from Denmark I clearly remembers the side Torpedo Moscow which Brondby expelled from the UEFA Cup Quarter finals in 1991. I have seen that 2 Torpedo Moscow teams are existing at the moment how come? What has happened?
Well, I'm not completely qualified, but the original Torpedo, the one that you remember, was owned by the ZIL auto-manufacturing plant. When ZIL and Torpedo parted ways, Torpedo did not disband, rather, Torpedo continued to play. The ZIL plant purchased or started a new team, who now went by Torpedo-ZIL. Before this past season, the ZIL moniker became Torpedo-Metallurg when ZIL again bailed on its club. The Metallurg plant, to my knowledge, has now dumped the team as well, as Metallurg barely avoided relegation, with some dubious help from another Moscow team. Both teams have miniscule fan bases, and the arguments are constant over which team is "The Real Torpedo." Shurik and Zenit, the co-moderators of the forum, can probably answer your question more completely.
Historical bantering aside, at this point in time there can hardly be a debate as to which is the "real" Torpedo. Torpedo Moscow clearly not only has history and a greater degree of success on its side (IMHO), but they once again will be a strong side in the RPL during the 2004 campaign. Torpedo-Metallurg/Torpedo-ZIL/Torpedo-(insert new name here) is only in the RPL thanks to the efforts of the Moscow soccer mafioso, and will once again be a prime favorite for the 1st division, if they can even a. find a decent sponsor and b. field a squad. Note-The "if you can't say something nice, don't say it at all" portion of this post follows: They did have pretty cool green/black kits a few years back, and their logo has always been one of my favorites.
And, to make the matters even more confusing, there still is a team called Torpedo-ZIL in Russian football. They play at the amateur level and say they have no plans to seek promotion. And everyone knows how far promises go in Russia. So, to summize: 1) Torpedo Moscow: founded uin 1924 by workers from the ZIL plant, sold in 1996 and are owned by the Luzhniki Stadium (where they eventually moved) since then. 2) Torpedo-Metallurg Moscow: founded by the ZIL plant as a replacement for Torpedo in 1997. Claimed to be "the real Torpedo" beacuse of the plant affiliation. Sold by the plant to a Siberian metallurgical company in 2003 but play in the old Torpedo Stadium and STILL claim of being "the real Torpedo". May be sold yet again in 2004, this time to the Moscow municipality. 3) Torpedo-ZIL Moscow: founded by the ZIL plant in 2003 as a replacement for Torpedo-Metallurg, formerly Torpedo-ZIL, which in turn was a replacement for Torpedo. Play in the amateurs and already claim of being "the real Torpedo". 4) Elvis Presley: dead. Really.
It..... It's totally grotesque! That sounds like The Wimbledon saga just much worser! But I must admit I like the idea of Torpedo playing in Torpedo stadium. Weren't Torpedo Stadium one of the first stadiums in world having heating and draining system under the pitch?
I can't calim about the world, but it was the first and only stadium in the Soviet Union to have this kind of equipment. For this reason it was often favoured by other Moscow clubs who managed to advance into the spring portion of the European tournaments. However, in its constant battle with the Moscow winter, cold and snow-heavy, the heating system often turned the pitch into a swamp. Still, it was a step in the right direction. The Eduard Streltsov Torpedo Stadium (the name of the legendary Torpedo player was added recently) wasn't build until the Seventies, and Eduard Streltsov himself had never played on it. Until that time, the old Torpedo usually played in Luzhniki and before that - on the Stalinets Stadium.
The time has come to set it straight I'll do me best , azohen veit Torpedo started since the gevolt Here in the States it's called revolt When English style to Moscow came There was git team that played the game They shpil'd with players way up high Named Strekoza - means Dragonfly From that sheine team tradition grew Which is not known to every Jew But year by year the squad grew strong By 30's it played like a song A song of style and eloquence Of thought and goals as consequence And as they entered the the high division They never left ( bet my circumsision (?) ) They won three titles and seven cups Filled with champagne and not the schnapps Voronin, Slava , Ivanov Prigoda , Saharov , Strel'tsov Were their stars and their fame Went all through Europe ,but to shame Only in Union they could play So in Torpedo most did stay It 60's it was common sight That Luzhniki were packed so tight With 100,000 happy fans Who hoped to get a Fortune's glance And now ? my son I know you'll say Who follows proudly on the way Of glory that's been paved for them With passion , pride and 100 gram ? Strel'tsov is dead , Voronin too Koz'mich - he sold his soul ; then who? There's still a team that plays on through In Luzhniki for few and few In last 10 years a Cup they won And a bronze medal - not the plan Yet with tight funds that they attract Team fights for glory , it's not an act They've beaten Loko and Horses ,Pigs Even the Garbage in their own digs And the Impostors from Norils'k ? Are always slaughtered - git and brisk So - the new season will start soon The Horses - favourites : Kaken moon But there's a fire in my soul That all fans tasted even a Pole Of hope , of passion and of chance Of your team's W's , so let's dance A freilih to Torpedo's glory And hope next year is a better story. Cheers.
Maybe Torpedo has too much time but I will thank him for the very poetic way of describing the history of Torpedo. Thanks
My friend from Denmark , anytime You have a question - pleasure's mine And Boston haver - what's to say? Post took 12 minutes , vei tsizdrei! In al seriousness , Luzhniki's ( IMHO ) is the team that's REAL as in Real Sociedad etc. , and not impostor like Lzhe Metallurg as in unreal Torpedo. The team was always known for intelligentsia amongst the fans , and very adventurous ( see attacking ) style of play , frequently involving defenders ( Voronin played libero way before that Kaltenbrunner lookalike ). I am very excited about new season , as Torpedo has added 5 Internationals , shedded some ( very ) dead weight , and their youngsters are progressing quite well ( playing on U23, U 20 and U18 squads ).
It's good to hear how it is, because I would have pressumed that the team playing in Torpedo stadium would be the true Torpedo, but apparently Torpedo's spiritual home is the Luzhniki. As one always can be enriched on knowledge on this board
In Russia, stadiums don't hold much meaning. Spartak, Russia's most distinguished team, never had its own stadium, not counting a sandlot near a factory where they played in the early 20s. CSKA, the current champion, split their time between Dinamo and Torpedo grounds. The Strekoza, or "Dragonfly", club (actually, SKZ, meaning "Zamoskvorechye Sport Club") to which TORPEDO alluded in his epic tale, is not a direct anscestor of Torpedo. Torpedo's history started in 1924, 1 year after the Moscow Football League was disbanded by Soviet officials. A bunch of players from SKZ, SKS (Simonov Sports Club) and other ex-MFL teams got together and started a team that represented the Proletarskaya Kuznitsa (Proletarian Forge) Workers Club, or RDPK. When this team in turn was disbanded, most of the good players remained together and started playing for the AMO/ZIS team (AMO and ZIS are former names of the ZIL plant). In 1936, this club became the founding member of the Torpedo Sporting Society, for automotive industry teams. "Torpedo" was the name of the first Soviet-made car, which is depicted on the logo. I also think that the Luzhniki squad is the "real Torpedo" (though not necesarily "royal" like Real Sociedad), but it made a major mistake in 1996, relinquishing the old club symbols. So, the impostors from Torpedo-Metallurg not only play at the Torpedo Stadium but also wear the original kits with the original logo. The reasons I couldn't put it into verse are two: 1) English language hasn't completely succumbed to my fancies yet; 2) A plot this confusing would require someone with the talent and poetic vision of e. e. cummings.
Shurik your English is good as mine not perfect but good. It's funny you say that the Torpedo in Luzhniki are the real. In England Wimbledon FC Moved to Milton Keynes from London and the fans in protest created AFC Wimbledon staying in London. All Englishmen does not consider The wimbledon in Milton Keynes as the true Wimbledon but the AFC Wimbledon as the true.