QF Analysis: NED-BRA - Nishimura (JPN)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2010: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jul 1, 2010.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes.

    Just for comparison's sake... He had a QF and the Final of the 2007 U17 WC. He also has a QF at the 2007 Asian Cup. And he had a QF at the 2008 African Cup of Nations. I imagine he's done plenty of knockout matches in Japan and more in Asian club soccer, too.
     
  2. dclark5ref

    dclark5ref New Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would book it as a PI because Robben has been tightly marked and fouled numerous times. Remember, persistent doesn't have to be committed by the same person.
     
  3. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    This is going to be a tough game for the ref...theres a lot of exaggeration and play-acting. He has to discern whats serious and whats ridiculous.
     
  4. Chiller15J

    Chiller15J New Member

    Apr 9, 2007
    Chicago Area
    For all of those giving him heat for not letting the game flow, I think he needs to be calling it how he is. There is a lot of tension growing and he needs to talk to the players to settle it down. This is a huge game with huge emotions, if he doesn't address the flaming emotions then it will get out of hand. The players have settled down since the earlier moments in the game after he controlled the game a lot.

    Any thoughts?
     
  5. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    I've been refereeing for 12 years, high school, college, premier, amateur, prison. I know the laws and I know how to use common sense...I also know that you should use it universally not as it's own Law. A lot of Referees on this site agree with me, I get that you don't, but that doesn't mean you need to disrespect me.
     
  6. dclark5ref

    dclark5ref New Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the info, MassRef!!

    BTW, where do you find all this stuff?
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can agree with this. You let it go too much and it could get away from you. The clash of styles, tactics and personalities in this match is similar to Netherlands v. Portugal in 2006, and we know how that ended up.
     
  8. Chiller15J

    Chiller15J New Member

    Apr 9, 2007
    Chicago Area
    The past 15 minutes have been extremely lose compared to the first 30 minutes or so. Definitely an extremely difficult match but I think he's doing fine. Another reff could have already given loads of cards for dissent and some of the fouls, he did not. He's letting the players decide the game. I think he's doing great.
     
  9. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Yeah this is how I would ref this sort of game. The games I find the toughest is when there's opposing styles...one thing the players are agreeing on though is fakery.
     
  10. dclark5ref

    dclark5ref New Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tough to refereeing opposing styles. You have to find the middle ground and sometimes that takes a bit longer, which effect game flow. I think Nishimura has found that middle ground and let's see if the players play accordingly in the second half.
     
  11. RybbRasta

    RybbRasta Red Card

    Jun 23, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Brasilians are saying it should be penalty for attack on Kaka by de Jong in first half. What you think?
     
  12. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Gotta say Nishimura's assistants make him look good too. They've gotten each offside/onside call dead on. Also they've been right with fouls they've called or mirrored for him too. It's great when you can have great assistants.
     
  13. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was listening to the match on the radio. Andres Cantor, El Pibe Valderama, Marcelo Balboa and Javier Castrilli are announcing.

    Per Castrilli, he believes that the match is beyond the abilities of Nishimura to referee. He stated the players were growing incredulous of his decisions and that even Van Persie took pity on him near the end of the first half when he placed his hand on his head. Is this an accurate statement?
     
  14. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    I was thinking when I saw it that it was close to one. I'd imagine calling it at a lower level, however if you're going to call a penalty in the quarter finals of the World cup you've gotta be sure...hard to be sure when it's in that corner.

    I don't really have a problem with not calling it, but I understand those who say it's a penalty.
     
  15. RybbRasta

    RybbRasta Red Card

    Jun 23, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I feel Brasil and Holland giving Nishimura tough time (diving, fouling, shouting at ref), but so far he does great job. All decisions correct. Maybe he should give out some cards for discussions with referee.

    But I'm not referee.
     
  16. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    The English commentators are saying he's doing great. On a sidenote there's a lot of racism against Asian officials in general I've noticed.

    Also 47th minute he just called the Dutch for a dive and yellow carded the player. Great call.
     
  17. dclark5ref

    dclark5ref New Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    THat's the problem with radio, I think... since you can't see it, you have to depend on the announcers to draw an appropriate picture.

    I don't agree with Castrilli... I think Mishimura is handling it quite well. However, we will see if he is really up to the task in the second half.
     
  18. Chiller15J

    Chiller15J New Member

    Apr 9, 2007
    Chicago Area
    It just took him a while to get the game flowing.. and he has a high tolerance for dissent and shouting back at him early in the game. Those are the only things I noticed that people might call him out on.
     
  19. Chiller15J

    Chiller15J New Member

    Apr 9, 2007
    Chicago Area
    Disappointing call for the foul in the 52nd.. not really any contact. But hey, I'm not complaining since the Dutch just scored after the free kick (I want Brazil to lose)
     
  20. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Foul on Robben, barely any contact but still a good call because the player wasn't going for the ball at all. Commentator says you can't be called for "intent" however I think you can because it's an "attempt to trip."
     
  21. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was a clear foul IMO. Could have been yellow. I think the lack of contact kept Brazil with 11 men.
     
  22. LiquidYogi

    LiquidYogi Member

    Sep 3, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    It's a foul, he was going for Robben and not the ball, it's an attempt to trip.
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, the foul prior to the goal...

    Dutch obviously asking for a second caution/red. And the thing is, the tackle itself seemed reckless to me. But the Dutch player did himself zero favors by jumping up in the air prior to (or maybe at the exact moment) of contact. Another example where the theatrics caused the referee not to be more punitive with his call. Similar to the non-penalty call by Webb in the Chile match.
     
  24. refmedic

    refmedic Member

    Sep 22, 2008
    It appears to me that the only people on the field who are unaware that there is a hackfest going on are the referee crew. Now that The Netherlands had scored the equalizer, it will be interesting to see how this match pans out. There are a lot of off-the-ball contact incidents, one incident of VC on a kick to the groin that was missed, and the simulation and dissent are completely out of hand. So far, I am not impressed with Mr. Nashimura at all.
     
  25. Emmet Kipengwe

    Aug 15, 2004
    Maryland
    Next foul by Bastos could leave them with 10.
     

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